Am I getting taken!! Price flux..

[Dougstdig]

Don’t know if you can call it price flux or fluctuation, but it’s been well known that interest rates are going to skyrocket for a year and pricing and parts availability where / are going to get much worst. Exactly why I pulled the trigger just short of a year ago. There’s a reason ford has 40,000 trucks sitting on the infield of a race track in Kentucky. Lack of chips. Transmissions, transfer cases axle components all electronics etc are being affected. A buddy of mine just took his JL in due to rear axle bearings, and a noise coming from the differential which we suspect is probably the inner bearing. Instead of actually fixing the problem they’re ordering him or they did order him a complete new axle assembly. Assuming it comes in tomorrow, it will be a week turnaround. This tells me they’re making enough parts to make the full assembly but few parts for actual repair so they’re replacing the whole assembly instead of letting the vehicle sit on the lot for much longer.

The scary thing is, if you’ve been paying attention to what’s on the news and reading through the BS there’s a fairly substantial chance that it’s going to get much worse than most of us have ever seen in our lifetime.

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[NachoRuby]

Selec-trac is a clutch driven transfer case vs the gear driven standard or rock-track option in the Rubicon. I get the use on-road in bad weather but the clutches can heat up and fail off-road. How is this an option in the Rubicon?

For hardcore off-road use, you'd put it in part-time mode.

 

[Sandevino]

For hardcore off-road use, you'd put it in part-time mode.

Is it a wet clutch system in AWD mode and a chain system in 4H or 4L?

 

[Minty JL]

Replacing an complete axle vs. replacing bearings is a matter of saving labor cost vs. material cost. Time is money

 

[Sandevino]

Yeah but the 0 percent is only on the Overland. Those of us buying the higher trim models are only offer $1000 cash or now 5.82% which is trash.

Higher trim meaning Rubicon? A set of e-lockers, electronic sway bar disconnect and 4:1 transfer case isn’t worth $10-12k and 5.82% financing.

My Overland has everything but leather and driver nanny’s I didn’t want and I practically stole it with the discounts and 0% financing. I’ll add gears, OX lockers, manual sway bar disconnects and can snag a Rock-trac t-case for $2-3k…

 

[Minty JL]

Higher trim meaning Rubicon? A set of e-lockers, electronic sway bar disconnect and 4:1 transfer case isn’t worth $10-12k and 5.82% financing.

My Overland has everything but leather and driver nanny’s I didn’t want and I practically stole it with the discounts and 0% financing. I’ll add gears, OX lockers, manual sway bar disconnects and can snag a Rock-trac t-case for $2-3k…

I see what you're getting at........but are you doing all of the labor, getting parts at cost and a warranty?

I'm getting my Mojave for almost 50k even out the door, 3.99% and done in 24 mos. The Overland isn't coming with the reenforced frame, wider/beefier axles/diffs, Fox suspension or better seats, 8.4 and Alpine. But by the time you upgrade and pay for labor....... you'll have spent more even with money saved on interest and still have less capability.

Not talking smack, just keeping to facts. To many Jeepers try to save money up front, but end up spending a rediculous amount of money after the fact to have OEM or slightly better capacity. Sometimes money spent up front is money saved as opposed the other option.

 

[NachoRuby]

Is it a wet clutch system in AWD mode and a chain system in 4H or 4L?

Honestly, not sure , but since the clutches aren't allowed to slip once taken out of auto, would they still wear or build up heat from friction?

 

[Geoarch]

Just for shits and giggles I specced out a 2023 build exactly like my 2021 purchased in July 2021…MSRP is $4750 higher now!

Cheers

I did the same for my 2022, and it would be about 2400 more now.

 

[Sandevino]

I see what you're getting at........but are you doing all of the labor, getting parts at cost and a warranty?

I'm getting my Mojave for almost 50k even out the door, 3.99% and done in 24 mos. The Overland isn't coming with the reenforced frame, wider/beefier axles/diffs, Fox suspension or better seats, 8.4 and Alpine. But by the time you upgrade and pay for labor....... you'll have spent more even with money saved on interest and still have less capability.

Not talking smack, just keeping to facts. To many Jeepers try to save money up front, but end up spending a rediculous amount of money after the fact to have OEM or slightly better capacity. Sometimes money spent up front is money saved as opposed the other option.

I see your point and we are solving two different issues.

I have no interest in a Rubicon or Mojave as I enjoy the build process and invest sweat equity. My Overland is equipped to my wants and needs - LED lights, aux switches, upgraded seats, 8.4” radio w/ NAV, Alpine system, Diesel, 8HP75 transmission and the premium soft top. The soft top was actually a pain to get…go figure.

If 0% was an option on a Rubicon, I’d give it a hard look but no such luck.

 

[Geoarch]

level 1 charging which is 120v. Only way to increase charge rate is higher amp service. Level 2 would be a 240V 30a service. Your still looking at over 24hrs for a full charge. It also gets exponentially more expensive to install the electrical service and get better charging rates from home. I like the technology, but it’s just not there yet, nor the infrastructure required for me to jump in.

Much shorter for the Wrangler 4EV. It’s on the Jeep site. Most here charge with 220 and some like us with solar.

 

[RobG]

Jeeps days of large profits for minimum options are numbered. Price to value is damn near gone. Rather spend a 100k for a new ZO6 drop top then a under powered truck

The last time we had inflation like we do today, new vehicle prices were going up 10% every model year. There was no shortage of people back in 1977, when a reasonably well equipped new car was around $8,000, who swore they'd drive their current car till the wheels fell off (admittedly back then that would have been about 5 years tops) once a new car cost $10,000. Yet by the early 80's they were forking over $12,000 for a new Cutlass or Thunderbird.

Which brings us to 2022. Jeep prices are going to continue going up, just like everything we buy. The difference between a Z06 and a Jeep is people are aghast if you don't brag about how much under invoice you paid for your new Jeep while Corvette buyers talk about how much over sticker they had to pay. A $100k Z06 convertible isn't a thing so it's not an alternative to a supposedly overpriced, underpowered Jeep because price to value is damn near gone for everything as long as we fail to adjust our expectations in a world with runaway inflation.

The Z06 convertible lists for right at $115k (a hell of a lot more once you start adding options) and you aren't buying one for less than MSRP. I know because I shopped for months to find a dealer west of the Mississippi who would order one for anywhere near sticker. I finally found a small town dealer in Missouri who was willing to order one for MSRP (when it's built, not what it is today). If anyone thinks the wait for a JT has been interminable, don't order a Corvette. With inflation the way it is and with the few Z06's that are expected to be built for 2023, by the time mine is delivered I'll be overjoyed if I only have to pay $15,000-20,000 more than today's price.

 

[JT1326]

Yeah but the 0 percent is only on the Overland. Those of us buying the higher trim models are only offer $1000 cash or now 5.82% which is trash.

If Jeep is going to keep upping the prices on trim models and options they need to do better. If they follow this business model much longer......sales are going to fuckin tank. Sales excuses like supply chain issues and inflation is only going to last so long. Let's be realistic......who in the foreseeable future is going to be willing to pay damn near 80k for a bullshit under powered V6 or a diesel that spends more time in the shop then on the road.

Jeeps days of large profits for minimum options are numbered. Price to value is damn near gone. Rather spend a 100k for a new ZO6 drop top then a under powered truck

You forgot the other side of the equation. If we are in that world where a JT is 80,000 then your Z06 drop top will be 250,000. Maybe more seeing as how you aren’t going to touch one in the next 3 years for under 150k

 

[Minty JL]

You forgot the other side of the equation. If we are in that world where a JT is 80,000 then your Z06 drop top will be 250,000. Maybe more seeing as how you aren’t going to touch one in the next 3 years for under 150k

You make a valid point, shit there dealers adding 90-100k mark up already

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