Shifting belt???

[N8dog]

Hello my son has a 2022 Gladiator Mojave. He is having an issue with it going into neutral when in 4hi. I haven't seen it myself yet he is a few hours away.

He says the shifter moves sideways into neutral, not in-between 2/4hi. It has happened everytime he has tried to use 4hi, sometimes he can get it back in and it stays, normally it pops back again.

He brought it to the dealership on Friday, probably not the best day but they claim they adjusted the "shifting belt"? He left and tried it again and nothing had changed so he went back. They told him the techs had left for the day and would order a new belt and call when it comes in.

This sounds to me like a blinker fluid, muffler belt, situation.
I don't know about Jeeps, especially new ones is there such a thing as a shifting belt or should I go in and slap the piss out of everyone in the dealership?

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[ShadowsPapa]

Well, there are muffler belts, even though it's supposed to be a joke, no one in the auto trade bothered to check first. They exist.
All I can think of with this is cable - maybe the guy is like so many out here - doesn't know proper or correct terms.
I can understand people on the web, on forums, etc. not knowing correct terms, but to me it's unforgivable for a tech person to not have paid attention in class.

 

[Maximus Gladius]

Definitely don’t be doing the last thing you mentioned or you might be doing time with someone much bigger than you that gives out spankings….every night.

I’ve never heard of a shifting belt but if that’s what they call it then give them a chance to do what needs doing. You can also get the diagram of parts, names and numbers from the parts department to show what they’re talking about.

 

[Lunentucker]

Do you know if it's Selec-Trac or standard?
Selec-trac will have a 4H Auto selection.

Transfer case parts diagram
https://parts.allmoparparts.com/v-2...er-unit--gearshift-controls-and-related-parts

 

[N8dog]

It is standard. No auto selection

 

[hjdca]

When new, the 4WH, 4WL shifter and gears are tight and sometimes hard to shift into gear. If not properly engaged, it will shift out of 4WH OR 4WL. Sometimes you have to give it a little gas to move gears to get the shifter to competely engage. I remember a few years ago when mine was new, it did pop out of gear a few times when I thought it was fully engaged and it was not. I would bet it is just tight from being new and needs to be broken in.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Do you know if it's Selec-Trac or standard?
Selec-trac will have a 4H Auto selection.

Transfer case parts diagram
https://parts.allmoparparts.com/v-2...er-unit--gearshift-controls-and-related-parts

Yeah, me being me, I loaded up the MOPAR parts sites, Benny's first (allmoparparts) and I went through 20 or so pages, over 800 parts, and there's nothing even close to being called a "belt".
A lot of cables, levers, BOOTs, etc.
No surprise as of all of the transfer cases on my shelves, none would have ever used a belt. They are all either manual/levers/rods/cables, or vacuum.
Having rebuilt many systems - this one baffled me, gotta admit, as even trying to stretch definitions into daffynitions, I couldn't make anything become a belt.

And after all of that, I felt like I needed a good belt.........

This one I gotta see the outcome of.

As far as things "popping out" - better watch that as I've seen gears destroyed by such things. If it's not going in and staying in, there's a risk to the internal parts. (don't ask me how I know........ I was younger and foolish. Now it's old and foolish. )

 

[Lunentucker]

Yeah, me being me, I loaded up the MOPAR parts sites, Benny's first (allmoparparts) and I went through 20 or so pages, over 800 parts, and there's nothing even close to being called a "belt".
A lot of cables, levers, BOOTs, etc.
No surprise as of all of the transfer cases on my shelves, none would have ever used a belt. They are all either manual/levers/rods/cables, or vacuum.
Having rebuilt many systems - this one baffled me, gotta admit, as even trying to stretch definitions into daffynitions, I couldn't make anything become a belt.

And after all of that, I felt like I needed a good belt.........

This one I gotta see the outcome of.

As far as things "popping out" - better watch that as I've seen gears destroyed by such things. If it's not going in and staying in, there's a risk to the internal parts. (don't ask me how I know........ I was younger and foolish. Now it's old and foolish. )

I didn't give that much effort, but I concluded the same. There's no belt.

 

[N8dog]

Thanks guys for the input. I didn't think there would be a belt.

I'll let you know what comes of it all. This is his first 4x4 so maybe he's not getting it all the way in but he said the shifter goes sideways into neutral. My best guess is the linkage is set too tight and the gears are too far in so instead of popping in-between 2/4 it goes to neutral? Does that make any sense? Maybe?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks guys for the input. I didn't think there would be a belt.

I'll let you know what comes of it all. This is his first 4x4 so maybe he's not getting it all the way in but he said the shifter goes sideways into neutral. My best guess is the linkage is set too tight and the gears are too far in so instead of popping in-between 2/4 it goes to neutral? Does that make any sense? Maybe?

If the linkage or cable isn't adjusted correctly, the shifter detent won't line up with the transfer case being in gear.
Very possible it's just in need of being set correctly - I've not taken this exact type apart but it's a common issue on other vehicles.

 

[rharr]

It is likely stiff like said, it is also gated and the transfer lever needs to be pushed right then pulled down to get to low.

You also need to be in park or neutral to get to low. 4h is just a pull down, try doing it while driving move it in and out to free it up.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It is likely stiff like said, it is also gated and the transfer lever needs to be pushed right then pulled down to get to low.

You also need to be in park or neutral to get to low. 4h is just a pull down, try doing it while driving move it in and out to free it up.

I found sort of feathering the throttle a bit - not letting off, not pushing, but taking the torque off things helped with my 2020.
This 2022 shifts easy and solidly.

 

[N8dog]

Update
My son came home for Christmas and we went out for a drive. Roads are covered in packed snow and ice so perfect to test.

It feels like it shifts smooth and feels like it engages. Popped out after about 50ft. It doesn't go sideways into neutral like he had told me and the shifter barely moves but it does leave 4hi in-between 4/2wd.

I read the invoice from his visit to the dealership and it's promising the techs at least know what they are talking about. They adjusted the shifting cable not a belt like the service writer had said. Apparently there is not much adjustment to the cable so ordered a new cable and hope for the best.

We did get a chance to use 4lo pulling my other son out of the ditch and it seemed to hold fine.

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