Starter Battery - Alberta Lithium starter battery 1000cca

[jc99]

Anyone tried one of these yet to replace their battery?

https://www.ablithium.ca/product/13...y-spec-lifepo4-bluetooth-heated-battery-copy/

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[Mr._Bill]

I'm not willing to spend that much on a battery. Maybe, if I was a serious camper and needed a good capacity battery for the living space. I would be concerned about how it would be affected by the amount of heat there is under the hood.

 

[jc99]

You can get a 60ah (which is equivalent to closer to 100ah in a lead acid) for half the price $435cdn/#310USD.

I have lifepo4 batteries for camping in my trailer and back of the truck and they are great, no need to worry about maintaining them, smaller lighter.

My hope is to find a good replacement for the gladiator battery. I have have had to replace it already under warranty and also recently deleted the aux as it died as well. But I still need to keep a maintainer on it main battery as it sits for periods.

Just not sure if these batteries will play nice with the IBS and more intelligent charging systems.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I hear they aren't great for cold weather............
The heater with these only works when it detects an outside source of power so you'd have to leave a charger on it for the heater to work. Sort of defeats the purpose, IMO.
Can't say they'd play well with the Jeep's intelligent sensing and charging system - these are setup, configured for AGM batteries. The voltages would likely be off. My gut says it would never be fully charged.
My other question is - why - and why not a great AGM battery?

You have such batteries in your trailer, say not need to maintain them, but are they under constant draw like the Jeep batteries are, and can they be recharged with the lower voltages of the Jeep's charging system?

 

[robburns76]

Cold weather is my first concern, but 2nd would be the charging profiles/voltages which are different for Lithium vs Lead Acid/AGM

 

[Krobarr]

A solar trickle charger may be enough to be able to run its heating ability. However, what’s the lowest temperature threshold? I’ve been looking at one for my camper that’s 300 AHrs and it’s only rated to -20°C

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A solar trickle charger may be enough to be able to run its heating ability. However, what’s the lowest temperature threshold? I’ve been looking at one for my camper that’s 300 AHrs and it’s only rated to -20°C

Our coldest times are night, and early morning. Solar trickle charger?
The heating on the one he linked only worked when it sensed input. A solar charger will work with sun on it, then at about 4pm here, it would stop working. That means that battery will be cold in the AM.
I think that whole thing is an oxymoron - it will heat itself with outside help. If you have it connected to something, what's the point of having that battery?

Naw, I'll follow some of the tips on good AGM batteries presented in the forums elsewhere, with high capacity, and that will work when it's below 0 (F) here, and not have to worry about connecting a solar panel or charger to it to keep it warm.

 

[Krobarr]

If you’re willing to listen, read on. If not, no need to comment negatively any further. The way it was explained to me was that the system only needs to detect that it’s capable of recharging during a 24 hour period in order to expend the energy to heat the battery overnight during cold weather. So by having a solar charging system hooked up, it meets the requirements of a completed smart system. A smart system that maintains the battery in the best working order. This system was regarding my camper trailer, so there may be other factors with a starter battery that come into play

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you’re willing to listen, read on. If not, no need to comment negatively any further. The way it was explained to me was that the system only needs to detect that it’s capable of recharging during a 24 hour period in order to expend the energy to heat the battery overnight during cold weather. So by having a solar charging system hooked up, it meets the requirements of a completed smart system. A smart system that maintains the battery in the best working order. This system was regarding my camper trailer, so there may be other factors with a starter battery that come into play

That differs from the text of the ad -

Can you explain how it can detect that it's capable of being recharged in a 24 hour period?
How will it know?
You have a system at home that keeps it charged, then drive to a place where you park it for work, the temps drop to 0 or below - then what? It will still heat itself?

 

[jc99]

The internal heaters are to heat the battery if it's temp is lower then 5 degrees so it can begin to charge. The concern with low temps is being able to charge, not as much an issue with being able to use the charge in the battery. Nice thing about lithium is that you don't have to worry about it sitting at a lower state of charge for extended periods of time because it doesn't affect the long term performance like a lead acid would and it holds a solid higher voltage then lead acid till it gets quite discharged.

So the battery could drain down to 20% over months of short trips and little charging without affecting it, then as soon as you go on an extended trip and the battery gets warm enough from the internal heaters and engine bay heat it would charge. The other nice thing about lithium is it will readily accept a solid high current charge almost till it's full, unlike lead acid where the charging rate has to tapper down as it gets fuller.

I would say if you live in somewhere where it gets to below -20C often then this is not a good solution. I live in the Pacific northwest on the coast so I'm less concerned as we don't have months and months of extremely cold weather.

I did email Alberta Lithium (who is in a part of Canada that does get very cold with this "How do they work with Modern vehicle charging systems? I am looking to replace my 2021 Gladaitor Diesel battery with it."

and got this response back from them: "Seamless we are running one in a 2024 Ram 1500 gas and a 2016 Ram eco diesel. Personal vehicles It cold starts the diesel at -20C"

I might just start off with the smaller cheaper version they offer, put a shunt on it so I can monitor the battery state of charge and see how it does, but may wait till my battery kicks the bucket again first, we'll see. I just figured I would check the forum and see if anyone had given them a try yet.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The internal heaters are to heat the battery if it's temp is lower then 5 degrees so it can begin to charge. The concern with low temps is being able to charge, not as much an issue with being able to use the charge in the battery.

THAT makes more sense.

Just keep in mind the charging profile is a lot different for these than AGM, which the Jeep is configured for. You'll really want to watch that - it may not charge properly unless it contains electronics to convert charging profiles.

 

[Radio Guy]

If you’re willing to listen, read on. If not, no need to comment negatively any further. The way it was explained to me was that the system only needs to detect that it’s capable of recharging during a 24 hour period in order to expend the energy to heat the battery overnight during cold weather. So by having a solar charging system hooked up, it meets the requirements of a completed smart system. A smart system that maintains the battery in the best working order. This system was regarding my camper trailer, so there may be other factors with a starter battery that come into play

Most batteries have a rated life based on charge/discharge cycles. Using your main battery to heat itself during the night then using a solar charger might work, but your using up charge/discharge cycles in the process and shortening its life. You would also need to insulate the heck out of the battery to have any effective heater system, otherwise your just making it toasty under the hood for critters at night.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

 

[XraytecH]

Anyone tried one of these yet to replace their battery?

https://www.ablithium.ca/product/13...y-spec-lifepo4-bluetooth-heated-battery-copy/

Cheaper than the Antigravity brand and higher Amp Hours.

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