The cost of remote start in MPG and dollars?

[ShadowsPapa]

When remote started, it runs for 15 minutes and then shuts off. It can only be remote started two times, and then it is locked out until the FOB is in the cab and the truck is started.

When remote started, it activates the climate control in the setting being used when it was turned off. When the door is opened, it turns on the radio. The climate control and radio can be adjusted, but the truck won't move until the FOB is in the cab and it is started.

Once started, it runs normally, even if the FOB is removed, except for the warning message on the display. Once turned off, and timed out, the FOB has to be there to start it again. This is why the FOB never leaves my pocket. I locked myself out one time, thirty years ago, when sixty miles from home. It has never happened again.

My wife found you can't lock her Jeep with the FOB inside the vehicle, It wouldn't let her. She thought it was broken - then discovered the fob was NOT in her pocket like she thought. It was in her jacket still in the Jeep.

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[rafaelsmith]

When remote started, it runs for 15 minutes and then shuts off. It can only be remote started two times, and then it is locked out until the FOB is in the cab and the truck is started.

When remote started, it activates the climate control in the setting being used when it was turned off. When the door is opened, it turns on the radio. The climate control and radio can be adjusted, but the truck won't move until the FOB is in the cab and it is started.

Once started, it runs normally, even if the FOB is removed, except for the warning message on the display. Once turned off, and timed out, the FOB has to be there to start it again. This is why the FOB never leaves my pocket. I locked myself out one time, thirty years ago, when sixty miles from home. It has never happened again.

I learned the hard way to always keep my FOB on me..
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[SwampNut]

I locked myself out one time, thirty years ago, when sixty miles from home. It has never happened again.

The documentation says it will not lock if the key is inside, or if the key is not near the outside of the vehicle. I've never tried to lock it inside. I have tried to lock the truck while the key is on my workbench in the garage, 15' away, and it won't lock with the outside door button.

Or...did you lock using the inside door buttons, then shut the door? I stopped doing that decades ago, because well, I know how stupid forgetful I can be.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The documentation says it will not lock if the key is inside, or if the key is not near the outside of the vehicle. I've never tried to lock it inside. I have tried to lock the truck while the key is on my workbench in the garage, 15' away, and it won't lock with the outside door button.

Or...did you lock using the inside door buttons, then shut the door? I stopped doing that decades ago, because well, I know how stupid forgetful I can be.

The nice thing about this truck is that the keys can't be locked inside it. The new problem is that you can start it, set the key FOB down outside the truck, and arrive at your destination and not be able to start it again. I have the proximity locks, so FOB only leaves my pocket to unlock the gas cap, and then goes right back in.

 

[SwampNut]

I'm assuming you have an aftermarket gas cap lock? I didn't think that was an OEM option. I wish more cars had what the wife's BMW has; the gas cover is electronically locked with the rest of the locks. Automatically unlocked when you get out for gas.

I picked up two different fob covers that have clips on them. One key stays on a belt loop all the time. The other key is used when I'm wearing swim shorts, bike shorts, or something like that, and clips onto my bag that holds the swim supplies, mountain bike supplies, etc. The key is totally out of the way, but always where it needs to be, and the buttons are accessible by feel on the black one.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There are logical safety reasons that you can take the fob away and the vehicle will not stop running until it's manually shut off or runs out of gas. Imagine someone taking off and getting 10 miles and then slows to cross railroad tracks and the vehicle DIES.
Or they are running 70 down I35 to KC and get into heavy traffic and it DIES in the middle of traffic at commute time.
Maybe they are at an intersection to make a left turn and start the turn with just enough time to get through before a family of 5 with their dog is coming along in their Fusion. Jeep stops - bang.
Accidents and death waiting to happen.

It would be cool to be able to stop a thief cold - but then who else could be hurt or worse?
They can't allow it to be stopped after any given time - it could end up killing folks or causing train derailments.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No locking cap here - I've seen the results of them being pried off - or worse - to get at the gas.

 

[SwampNut]

I'm 55 and have never directly experienced gas theft EXCEPT the one time that they destroyed the nozzle and side of the car prying off the cap with a crowbar. Meh, have the gas, whatever.

It's more realistic to have your cat stolen these days. (The metal one, not the furry one.)

 

[Mr._Bill]

I'm assuming you have an aftermarket gas cap lock? I didn't think that was an OEM option. I wish more cars had what the wife's BMW has; the gas cover is electronically locked with the rest of the locks. Automatically unlocked when you get out for gas.

I picked up two different fob covers that have clips on them. One key stays on a belt loop all the time. The other key is used when I'm wearing swim shorts, bike shorts, or something like that, and clips onto my bag that holds the swim supplies, mountain bike supplies, etc. The key is totally out of the way, but always where it needs to be, and the buttons are accessible by feel on the black one.

I have a Mopar locking gas cap. It's keyed to match the factory key, and then installed in place of the original cap. It's around $80. There is a model that comes with a separate key that is about $30.

 

[Mr._Bill]

I'm 55 and have never directly experienced gas theft EXCEPT the one time that they destroyed the nozzle and side of the car prying off the cap with a crowbar. Meh, have the gas, whatever.

It's more realistic to have your cat stolen these days. (The metal one, not the furry one.)

The locking cap prevents crimes of opportunity, and random acts of vandalism (like sugar in the gas tank). I've never directly had a problem with either one, but I've always had locking caps on my vehicles.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm 55 and have never directly experienced gas theft EXCEPT the one time that they destroyed the nozzle and side of the car prying off the cap with a crowbar. Meh, have the gas, whatever.

It's more realistic to have your cat stolen these days. (The metal one, not the furry one.)

And with the battery powered tools - it's happened around here.

Yawnie would gladly go home with almost anyone...........

 

[Higher_Ground]

Yeah it makes a lot of sense for it to simply disable at the next start-up.

Think about it... you get carjacked, guy takes off and then the vehicle dies 100 ft away. I'd rather they be 10 miles away. If the Jeep won't restart, they'll have to leave it eventually.

But on the other hand, if you see that "fob is not in the vehicle" warning you'd best take heed. I would hate to end up stranded. I keep the fob in my pocket too. Saw you guys talking about the space between the cupholders - I just assumed that was for a phone/wallet. Think I'll avoid the habit of leaving it there.

 

[jimbom]

There are logical safety reasons that you can take the fob away and the vehicle will not stop running until it's manually shut off or runs out of gas.

If the truck is parked and running, what good reason would there be for it to allow someone to drive off when the fob isn't detected?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If the truck is parked and running, what good reason would there be for it to allow someone to drive off when the fob isn't detected?

Check my post - death to other innocent people is one good reason.
LOCK THE DOORS!!!!
Even the friendly owners manual says at least 3 times on various pages "lock the doors when leaving the vehicle running".
Jeep is NOT the only company that does this. Most - maybe all? other maker allow them to be moved and not kill the engine.
As an experiment - try this to see if I'm wrong- Google "how far will a running car go without the key fob" and see what pops up.
I may do that as well for kicks - maybe I"m wrong, but I've seen too many accidents as part of a shop that did towing - they can't kill the vehicle when it is unknown the location or conditions.
Imagine the law suite if some 14 year old jumps in just for kicks, first time, not been in trouble, and takes off and the thing dies in the middle of a turn or on train tracks and he's killed.
Trust me, I'm an intense law and order guy and would slap the kid silly - but hey, I'm not the courts or attorneys or the kids parents.

In other words, it DOES allow someone to drive off when the fob isn't detected - it does, so there must be a reason. Check in with Mr_Bill's posts above/previous. He basically stated the same, I just gave possible reasons.

 

[SwampNut]

I'm on the other side now, I don't get why it wouldn't lock the thing in park, just like remote start does. Then you couldn't leave to start with. I fully agree that while moving, you can't just disable it.

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