Ugh. UAW fixing to strike

[mreloc]

I have a friend that works at FCA headquarters. Things seem pretty tenuous with the negotiations- not only do I worry that everyone involved gets a fair deal, but also that there may be disruptions to quality control and production schedules. Back in the 70's, when the UAW was unhappy, all sorts of things happened that impacted customers. One example (I don't know if it's folklore or not) was workers putting empty coke cans in doors as they were being assembled to intentionally cause problems.

I hope in this day and age things will be different, but my hopes aren't high.

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[bgenlvtex]

I have a friend that works at FCA headquarters. Things seem pretty tenuous with the negotiations- not only do I worry that everyone involved gets a fair deal, but also that there may be disruptions to quality control and production schedules. Back in the 70's, when the UAW was unhappy, all sorts of things happened that impacted customers. One example (I don't know if it's folklore or not) was workers putting empty coke cans in doors as they were being assembled to intentionally cause problems.

I hope in this day and age things will be different, but my hopes aren't high.

I'm pretty sure those disruptions to quality control are already occurring and don't support their case for more money.

Pay scale based on tenure has destroyed American manufacturing and Education.

Build a superior product, earn more money, build shit and get fired. Unionization does not promote those principles.

 

[mreloc]

I'm pretty sure those disruptions to quality control are already occurring and don't support their case for more money.

Pay scale based on tenure has destroyed American manufacturing and Education.

Build a superior product, earn more money, build shit and get fired. Unionization does not promote those principles.

Although I broadly agree with your points, I was not trying to get into a pro/against union thing. I am just concerned about the downstream repercussions if an agreement isn't reached.

 

[primethios]

The unions were originally implemented to protect the workers from unsafe conditions such exceedingly long hours, physical hazards, and violence from management (In the old days it was not uncommon for big owners to send in "supervisors" with bats). Pay was part of the unionization also but was before minimum wage rules. The other pieces are now covered by OSHA and other federal/state requirements to make environments more safe than the unions could. That being said I believe there are more inspections, check points, and robotic/automation procedures that minimize the handful of malicious workers that you won't see out of the majority of the union workers. The unions are just another corporation now that just want a larger fee/due from each worker. I come from a union family (steel mainly) but I was brought up to do your job well and you will rise and be rewarded and I have seen how the union more often than not fails the workers as I have gotten older.

These days the issues or quality of final product are more impacted by suppliers and vendors i believe and a great example is the drivetrain recall on the gladiator.

 

[bgenlvtex]

Although I broadly agree with your points, I was not trying to get into a pro/against union thing. I am just concerned about the downstream repercussions if an agreement isn't reached.

Understand and apologize for the derail.

I am not anti-union, my wife is Teamsters.

I am however anti-employer extortion for creating a sub par product and want more money because want more money.

I'm a free market capitalist, if they strike and lose market share and as a result jobs I will simply chalk that up to sweet irony.

 

[jthadius]

I have a friend that works at FCA headquarters. Things seem pretty tenuous with the negotiations- not only do I worry that everyone involved gets a fair deal, but also that there may be disruptions to quality control and production schedules. Back in the 70's, when the UAW was unhappy, all sorts of things happened that impacted customers. One example (I don't know if it's folklore or not) was workers putting empty coke cans in doors as they were being assembled to intentionally cause problems.

I hope in this day and age things will be different, but my hopes aren't high.

So far it's only against GM. FCA and Ford will wait. UAW is going to create enough ill will without striking against all 3 at once. They'll try to force GM to capitulate first as its in the weakest position market wise and then if that works, they'll use that as a stick in the Ford and FCA negotiations. Of course, its more likely that they'll kill the Golden Goose versus getting it to lay more eggs.

 

[Sorbs]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1VY1OM

It’s only GM. Oh, BUT the people in charge of the UAW will be going to jail. That is the definition of win-win, if you’re FCA or Ford.

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