You cant make this stuff up!

[BlueCT]

I am definitely not any kind of tire expert. I went to a place that specializes in tire balancing and the most senior guy there made an educated guess that the cause of the issue I have was from sitting too long. It seems like several people on here don’t believe that it is possible for tires to go bad from sitting. Since I am no expert my opinion doesn’t matter. However, I have done some additional research and tire rack has an article that my people helpful for people to read who don’t believe this is possible. It clearly states flatspotting is possible. It also states that the circumstances that would make this permanent as opposed to temporary are: a heavy load, sitting for several months, large change in ambient temperatures, and low tire pressure. In my case I appear to have had all of these conditions. Hopefully, this information helps some people learn from my unfortunate experience. I know haters are going to hate but ignorance can be cured with a little effort and will.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=42

Your tires did not "go bad" sitting on them. You won't convince the dealership they are bad and should be warranted because the truck sat on them, because it didn't hurt them.

Radial tires generally do not flat spot much sitting on them for any period, and a trip down the road to warm them up will correct whatever minor amount of flat spot they may develop.

The tires may in fact have problems, may in fact be flat spotted from a skid, but the didn't flat spot because the truck sat on them. If there is perceptible flat spotting in the tread, measure the area of the flat spot and surrounding tread for a difference in tread depth, if one is measurable it is a skid most likely.

Bias and diagonal ply tires of old would flat spot temporarily, modern radial tires do not.

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[bgenlvtex]

I am definitely not any kind of tire expert. I went to a place that specializes in tire balancing and the most senior guy there made an educated guess that the cause of the issue I have was from sitting too long. It seems like several people on here don’t believe that it is possible for tires to go bad from sitting. Since I am no expert my opinion doesn’t matter. However, I have done some additional research and tire rack has an article that my people helpful for people to read who don’t believe this is possible. It clearly states flatspotting is possible. It also states that the circumstances that would make this permanent as opposed to temporary are: a heavy load, sitting for several months, large change in ambient temperatures, and low tire pressure. In my case I appear to have had all of these conditions. Hopefully, this information helps some people learn from my unfortunate experience. I know haters are going to hate but ignorance can be cured with a little effort and will.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=42

Believe what you want to, I spent 40 years in the industry, retired from the largest rubber manufacturer on the planet and currently actively manage more than 10,000 wheel positions.

Your tires did not permanently flat spot sitting on the dealers parking lot for 3 months.

If you can convince them to give you more of them, more power to you.

I can find you internet opinions that tell you the Earth is flat, humans are responsible for global warming,, there are more than two genders, and Epstein killed himself. As I already said, there may be a problem with those tires, but it isn't that they sat on a dealers lot for 3 months.

 

[Klutch]

I would suggest you politely ask the service department to assign a technician to drive your JT. Maybe they will even let you ride along to help identify the problem? Anyway, being polite and persistent usually works for me.

 

[max toe]

I would suggest you politely ask the service department to assign a technician to drive your JT. Maybe they will even let you ride along to help identify the problem? Anyway, being polite and persistent usually works for me.

amen to that

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I work auto electric - have for years, I restore automotive electric stuff now. We had a big hairy deep discussion on batteries and charging systems - one of my specialties. One guy on our forum was putting out nonsense about battery charging and how a battery was fully charged at 12.4 volts and it was xx% charged at this or that and what the alternator needed to put out.
I knew it was all wrong, and I grabbed my GM battery and alternator info, did some scans and posted - he still argued that the GM stuff was BS. So I did some searching for more stuff I could use to prove to him............ I found a well-known site that sells batteries of all kinds - especially automotive and deep cycle batteries. It was literally something like batteries dot come or whatever. They were a big site, tons of information about batteries out there. Problem was - much of it was WRONG. I don't know where they got their info, but the voltages, specific gravity info, there was so much bad info on that site that was supposed to be a leading seller of automotive batteries.
I dug deeper and found some other battery vendors selling automotive batteries. And guess what - their info was almost exact word-for-word copies of the first I found. These battery sellers were taking the info from one site and simply pasting it into their own. Wrong info.
I finally went back to my factory sources and found Chrysler, Ford and even other sources that had the correct information - and the info from one of my battery tenders that was correct.

I have a popular page on rust removal - tons of info on electrolysis. I've been contacted by many clubs, the Florida Falcon car club, tool restoration groups, etc. asking permission to use that info. Early on I had a technical mistake on the page. A simple chemistry boo-boo.
I fixed it as soon as I found it. Later I was doing a search for someone to get them some additional information and found some other pages on rust removal - electrolysis. Ya know what I found? My mistake on their pages. In fact, they had done copy and paste of my info and put it into their pages (calling it their own) and they had copied my mistake. The difference was that I fixed mine - they never went back after copying my info to find I'd made a mistake so they never fixed theirs. Their pages were wrong.

Internet - copy and paste, the most efficient way to make 100 mistakes with a single click.

Sellers of an item doesn't make them experts on the item. The MAKER of the item is the expert - I would hope.

Bottom line - trust those who MAKE something, the engineers. To get the facts on tires, check with Cooper, Bridgestone, Goodyear, Goodrich, and these days, the Koreans make some top-notch tires extremely highly rated.
Does that mean those who sell tires are all full of BS? Heck no - some are very much experts. Some know more about the product they sell than almost anyone but the engineer. But - an online seller isn't the final answer in many cases.

In my case, like I've said - some of my vehicles sit for months - some in a COOOOLD garage that gets super hot come our first hot days, some now sit in my temperature controlled shop. My brother's 69 Javelin over the years has sometimes sat for 6 months or more. When he first bought it, it sat in his driveway, covered up (big mistake) for several months. Now it sits in his garage for months at a time. He's no mechanic either so who knows what the tire pressures are - or how often he even checks.

I'm not going to say all sellers of an item don't have good info, just that it isn't necessarily perfect information.

Anyone who has dealt with the steel in the radials these day - good grief, that is tough stuff - can't easily cut it, can't bend it, I don't know what it is exactly but it's some tough steel. I've tried to cut tires off rims before - almost impossible.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I would suggest you politely ask the service department to assign a technician to drive your JT. Maybe they will even let you ride along to help identify the problem? Anyway, being polite and persistent usually works for me.

EXACTLY. Methodical, polite, to the point with them. Explain in a way so they can duplicate the issue. I found being nice to the other staff actually helps too when the service people come along - you have the other staff helping to convince service hey this guy has this problem....

 

[Twig & Berries]

I am not an expert in tires, suspensions or drivelines. I would offer a thought though. Since there is a vibration and you have been offered diverging opinions, facts, etc. regarding the tires only. I would suggest exploring the suspension, trackbars and the like for possible issues. Could the focus on the tires be hiding the real culprit? Good luck in your efforts, I hope you do get this resolved.

 

[Klutch]

EXACTLY. Methodical, polite, to the point with them. Explain in a way so they can duplicate the issue. I found being nice to the other staff actually helps too when the service people come along - you have the other staff helping to convince service hey this guy has this problem....

Indeed. I know I'm not supposed to comment on such things here in the modern, "Me Too" age. But the fact is almost every dealership has at least one Cutie Patootie working up front. And you can bet dollars to doughnuts all or most of the guys in the service department are crushing on said Cutie Patootie. If you walk into a dealer and are anything other than absolutely pleasant to that Cutie Patootie, the service technicians are going to know about it and you can expect less than enthusiastic service. On the other side of coin, flirting with Cutie Patootie is also a very good way to tick of the service technicians.

Yeah, not PC, but them's the facts based on my 50+ years of observing human behavior. As the old saying goes, honey draws more flies than vinegar.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Indeed. I know I'm not supposed to comment on such things here in the modern, "Me Too" age. But the fact is almost every dealership has at least one Cutie Patootie working up front. And you can bet dollars to doughnuts all or most of the guys in the service department are crushing on said Cutie Patootie. If you walk into a dealer and are anything other than absolutely pleasant to that Cutie Patootie, the service technicians are going to know about it and you can expect less than enthusiastic service. On the other side of coin, flirting with Cutie Patootie is also a very good way to tick of the service technicians.

Yeah, not PC, but them's the facts based on my 50+ years of observing human behavior. As the old saying goes, honey draws more flies than vinegar.

LOL - now you have the PC cops after you.
The receptionist is a personable lady, maybe in her 50s, nice person, she's a people-person. That helps. You can't go in there angry and stay that way after being greeted by her.
She said the guy I wanted to talk to was tied up for 15 minutes or so. There was an ice storm just minutes away headed right to that area and I wanted the heck out of there as soon as possible. I told her that with the ice storm hitting their area in the next 15 minutes or so I should just try another time. I wasn't bothered that they were busy - I did just drop in.
We talked about the forecast, she looked up on her computer what the radar looked like and the timing.
That guy walked right out to my truck, he was still learning but was not afraid to try what he knew and do all he could. He had a good start then the guy I bought from came out and helped him finish, gave him some tips on what to look for.
Issue solved (as far as I know so far anyway) I got back onto the highway, about 3 blocks away, about to turn onto I35 and the first ice hit the windshield. I was driving out of it, all was good.
Get them on your side. Save the going in for battle for later if needed.

 

[BlueCT]

Thanks for all the advice. I will start with the extra kindness approach. It seems like there is no point in even bringing up”why” the tires are out of round with the dealer since the fact is there is a balancing machine that has proven they are, I just need to get the dealer to believe it since its not their machine. Jeepcares Has offered to help maybe that will tilt the scales in my favor. If I run out of patience I can always just put on 35s and call it a day. Thanks again and my apologies if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention.
Thanks
Chris

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hey, I finally got the dealer to open a star case and order a new bed cover - exhaust all options, explain what you have found, even take paperwork from the other place with you. If they have tried all other things and the issue is still there, just explain there's still a problem, they need to resolve it, you can get other support involved and you have tried to help THEM out by having others check it out.
Doesn't matter what the exact issue is if it's found to be a tire or tires and balancing hasn't resolved it, explain it's still up to them to fix it and you'll be happy to get Jeep support involved if it will help. Approach it like you are trying to help and will pull in other resources if needed.

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