JT a sales failure & doomed to same fate as the Scrambler?

[BringTheLightnin]

I live in NC and in the city I live in, you barely see gladiators. Every now and then I'll see one but you go 2 towns over and every 6th car is a gladiator. Depends where you live. I mostly see 4 door wranglers and some 2 door but compasses and renegades are everywhere

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[JeepCode4]

Gladiators sell well by me. Literally the other day I was driving down the main road, It was a line of JTs. Car sales are down as a whole, due to shortages, APR rates, state of the economy etc.

That said, I doubt these are going anywhere. I sure would like to see a 5.7 hemi. But we can dream, the 3.6 is fine.

 

[Lunentucker]

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not offering a V8 in one is also a missed opportunity, especially since the same company put a V8 in a Dakota 30 years ago

What opportunity?

30 years ago? Living in the past?

Times have changed. Look at where the V8 is DISAPPEARING - not making new appearances.
There's even a revival of the I6. (saw that in an article showing the companies that are either keeping or adding the I6 to the line-up)
The V8 is history.
Jeep can't possibly meet the 0 carbon initiatives from the EU and CA and VA with adding more cylinders, bigger engines.
Look backwards only to learn from it, look forward to keep from stubbing your toes or walking into walls. Learn from history, then let it go.
Sure, I love the 4.0 - it's bullet-proof (as well as proof that MOST Jeep people want something to crawl rocks with, or drive through mud with, but not to take a trophy at the track on weekends)
I love a dual-quad bored 360 with headers and a crazy cam and 2500 stall converter, etc. - but that's not the future. That's a hobby, for fun.

Again - what opportunity? To go bust because they can't meet strict CAFE and EPA numbers? Opportunity to no longer sell Wrangler or Gladiator in EU, or even Israel? (they don't give a rip about power there, it's all about just getting there)

What about the cost to FCA for engineering, for all of the testing, for the reporting that has to be done annually - including permissions to carry evaporative emissions equipment forward into the next model year - reports that even have to outline where the bloody FAN is on the vehicle.
Every engine change is costly in many ways. They'd need to re-test for payload, towing and so on - we're lucky we got the diesel, but that was likely due to EU sales, not the "more is better, bigger is better" greedy Americans.
My bet is that if not for sales outside of the USA, there'd be no diesel.
I also bet that the market segment for a V8 powered small truck like the JT wouldn't support the massive costs in CAFE and other areas.

I think it's safe to assume that the psychologists, engineers, researchers and others at FCA have more smarts than the combined "wisdom" of a forum. They know what's involved - we tend to grossly over-simplify things. Gee, they did it 30 years ago....... yeah, the world was a tad different back then. They also put V12s in cars way back when, too. They also used steam 100 years ago.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not in Prudhoe Bay.
You can walk on it! (yeah, even you LOL HAHA)

 

[Lunentucker]

Not in Prudhoe Bay.
You can walk on it! (yeah, even you LOL HAHA)

I'm sticking with what I have here in Virginia.

 

[BAT]

Used to be by me I was the rare JT out and about. But lately I have been seeing a lot more on the road around here. Many of the dealerships have not had many to sell and the one's they do they wanted a fortune for with crazy mark ups. A perhaps better engine and better gas mileage might help it some but I am happy with mine

 

[Robtco99]

What opportunity?

30 years ago? Living in the past?

Times have changed. Look at where the V8 is DISAPPEARING - not making new appearances.
There's even a revival of the I6. (saw that in an article showing the companies that are either keeping or adding the I6 to the line-up)
The V8 is history.
Jeep can't possibly meet the 0 carbon initiatives from the EU and CA and VA with adding more cylinders, bigger engines.
Look backwards only to learn from it, look forward to keep from stubbing your toes or walking into walls. Learn from history, then let it go.
Sure, I love the 4.0 - it's bullet-proof (as well as proof that MOST Jeep people want something to crawl rocks with, or drive through mud with, but not to take a trophy at the track on weekends)
I love a dual-quad bored 360 with headers and a crazy cam and 2500 stall converter, etc. - but that's not the future. That's a hobby, for fun.

Again - what opportunity? To go bust because they can't meet strict CAFE and EPA numbers? Opportunity to no longer sell Wrangler or Gladiator in EU, or even Israel? (they don't give a rip about power there, it's all about just getting there)

What about the cost to FCA for engineering, for all of the testing, for the reporting that has to be done annually - including permissions to carry evaporative emissions equipment forward into the next model year - reports that even have to outline where the bloody FAN is on the vehicle.
Every engine change is costly in many ways. They'd need to re-test for payload, towing and so on - we're lucky we got the diesel, but that was likely due to EU sales, not the "more is better, bigger is better" greedy Americans.
My bet is that if not for sales outside of the USA, there'd be no diesel.
I also bet that the market segment for a V8 powered small truck like the JT wouldn't support the massive costs in CAFE and other areas.

I think it's safe to assume that the psychologists, engineers, researchers and others at FCA have more smarts than the combined "wisdom" of a forum. They know what's involved - we tend to grossly over-simplify things. Gee, they did it 30 years ago....... yeah, the world was a tad different back then. They also put V12s in cars way back when, too. They also used steam 100 years ago.

Why offer a 392 Wrangler and not a Gladiator? We all know the V8 is going away, and is old technology. The Wrangler and Gladiator themselves is old technology full frame, solid axle vehicles, shaped like a brick

 

[boudain]

All you gotta do is watch two or three of Ben Hardy’s videos back to back to know that he’s effectively wrong on everything he talks about. He tries to come off as a know it all but he’s really just wrong.

 

[RalphTuttle]

I live in NC and in the city I live in, you barely see gladiators. Every now and then I'll see one but you go 2 towns over and every 6th car is a gladiator. Depends where you live. I mostly see 4 door wranglers and some 2 door but compasses and renegades are everywhere

I'm in Raleigh and they are all over the place here. Even when just driving a couple of miles down to the grocery store, I normally see one or two on the road.

 

[Almost]

Why offer a 392 Wrangler and not a Gladiator? We all know the V8 is going away, and is old technology. The Wrangler and Gladiator themselves is old technology full frame, solid axle vehicles, shaped like a brick

Production lines in short. It's not as easy as "hey, we have this motor around let's throw it in the gladiator." It requires tooling and more importantly space. The Ecodiesel Ram 1500 was cut due to them transitioning that production line for the new EV. Same goes for the Wrangler, the Ecodiesel production lines are now being taken up by the 4Xe. The Wrangler 4Xe now accounts for 25% of all Wrangler sales. No 4Xe option (yet) for the Gladiator so the Ecodiesel lives on for now. It made more sense to cut niche production lines for something that will sell more of. The 392 would be too niche for them to open a production line just for that with the 4Xe coming down the line.

 

[Orange01z28]

The lowly 3.6 we're all complaining about would have been a firebreather 25-30 years ago

Matched with that wonderful ZF 8 speed we can all happily drive our JLs and JTs on 37s, 38s, 40s, and above with the proper gearing

Of course we all want a V8, but don't get mad at Jeep/Stellantis, get mad at DC for keeping that from us

 

[Chestnut]

I don't get the power debate. I can't count how many people have complained about not enough power in XYZ but never go further than half throttle. If you are going to only use 50% of the power don't complain about it, put your dang foot down. Or buy a pedal commander so you get full throttle half way down.

The 3.6L can get 3,500 lbs on a trailer going to a nice clip in a hurry. Brakes are good enough to stop that without trailer brakes. Regularly towing more than 3,500 lbs with the JT seems like masochism to me. Then again regularly towing 5,000 plus sounds like you need a 3/4 or 1 ton. The power isn't what makes it sketchy, it's the light weight of the tow vehicle.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

I'm not going to sort through all the pages of responses on this, but all manufacturers had lousy sales last year, due entirely to the "supply chain" issues. You cannot sell what you cannot make.

 

[258_T18A]

I'm not going to sort through all the pages of responses on this, but all manufacturers had lousy sales last year, due entirely to the "supply chain" issues. You cannot sell what you cannot make.

I think the supply chain issues have largely wound down by now. The effects we're seeing now are more due to the coming economic recession (people worried about their jobs are not buying new vehicles) and the fact that businesses in general overplayed their hand on price increases. Look t what a Wrangler is going for now vs only 2 years ago. I also noticed eggs were back under $3/dz when I went to the supermarket yesterday, hopefully those f*ckers had to throw away a bunch of expired ones that no one bought for the $10/dz they were trying to sell them for a few weeks ago. People don't like being gouged.

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