Rough ride

[GladLad]

Resale isn't going to be any big part of it. Besides, anything you think it might be is only speculation.

I guess by resale, I mean stock vs. add-ons and labor. You don't get back labor cost (I've no garage, no driveway, limited tools), and upgrades aren't part of kbb. Find the right buyer, but in general do aftermarket upgrades have greater depreciation than factory, is the thought process.

But you're absolutely right, all speculation without any real numbers or experience in these matters. Just a rambling brain thinking of every last detail, but with no data to truly assist.

Overland is the other build point option. As it's already got more standard and opens up new options lower trims don't have. Haven't driven one and it's unclear if it's starting suspension/ride is different than sport.

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[JeepCode4]

Interesting. I have a high altitude, that in stock form, was really soft on the road, and had a lot of body roll. Worst shocks ever frankly. Idk what crack smoking individual characterizes them as “sport tuned”. Put 33’s on it, and then replaced the shocks with Fox 2.5 elite adjustables, and put a 1.5” level on the front. Then went to 35’s on 18s, with 35psi.

I have the shocks dialed in half way, and the steering stabilizer just over half way. The steering is smooth but tight, and it rides nice and planted, no body roll, takes corners so well, it’s no longer sloppy. Love it.

So that said, you should have a similar experience, with the Mopar lift. While those shocks are the 2.0 IPS so not quite as good as what I mentioned on mine, still hell of a lot better than stock, and those tend to be firmer. I also drove a Mojave (it’s what I wanted originally but the only ones there had no options). I think your issue is the steering stabilizer. The stock one is shit.

Go get this https://jksmfg.com/products/fox-2-0...zer-factory-race-wrangler-jl-and-gladiator-jt

Tune it to your liking and enjoy.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I guess by resale, I mean stock vs. add-ons and labor. You don't get back labor cost (I've no garage, no driveway, limited tools), and upgrades aren't part of kbb. Find the right buyer, but in general do aftermarket upgrades have greater depreciation than factory, is the thought process.

Most don't want your add-ons. And dealers will often say "take it all off" - why would I buy a puzzle or model kit already put together by someone else?
Sometimes customization actually limits your sales - they may not like your bumper, or angry grill or other stuff - easier for them to buy one that's stock rather than strip yours down and start over.
Overland has a better ride than sport, IMO. I've driven Sport when I was first looking as that's what I thought I wanted and needed. Went Overland because of the features and creature comforts (like great ride). I prefer the looks of the interior over the other levels. But that's just me.....(and my wife, too)

 

[GladLad]

Most don't want your add-ons. And dealers will often say "take it all off" - why would I buy a puzzle or model kit already put together by someone else?
Sometimes customization actually limits your sales - they may not like your bumper, or angry grill or other stuff - easier for them to buy one that's stock rather than strip yours down and start over.
Overland has a better ride than sport, IMO. I've driven Sport when I was first looking as that's what I thought I wanted and needed. Went Overland because of the features and creature comforts (like great ride). I prefer the looks of the interior over the other levels. But that's just me.....(and my wife, too)

In that case it sounds like you agree that resale of a stock Mojave is less depreciating than a modded other base. I don't mean in the sense that everyone wants a Mojave and will pay more. But in the sense that its suspension is OEM and all options are on the sticker, vs a Sport I upgraded to what I want mechanically (no angry grills).

I hadn't considered the Overland until recently. Thought it was just a Sport with some packages already checked off. I prefer black fenders though, but even my max tow builds end up with body color as you can't add the 8.4 screen package without ending up with Convenience Group. Not sure what painted fenders have to do with convenience, but there it is.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

 

[chorky]

So did you do anything to increase caster? The AEV lift will actually reduce caster from stock since it doesn't come with new control arms or drop brackets.

this is wrong. The AEV lift DOES have geo correction brackets. Seen in a screenshot of their website here. It does correct geometry. And it also includes a rear track bar relocation bracket.

maybe you are referring to the AEV spacer which is not an true lift kit. For some reason everybody on this site always refers to AEV as a spacer kit but they have several options for a true lift kit.

 

[Lunentucker]

this is wrong. The AEV lift DOES have geo correction brackets. Seen in a screenshot of their website here. It does correct geometry. And it also includes a rear track bar relocation bracket.

maybe you are referring to the AEV spacer which is not an true lift kit. For some reason everybody on this site always refers to AEV as a spacer kit but they have several options for a true lift kit.

You can get them several ways. With or without the brackets.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/aev/2in-spacer-lift-gladiator-jt

https://www.quadratec.com/p/aev/2in-spacer-lift-gladiator-jt/mojave-n0921010aa

 

[chorky]

You can get them several ways. With or without the brackets.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/aev/2in-spacer-lift-gladiator-jt

https://www.quadratec.com/p/aev/2in-spacer-lift-gladiator-jt/mojave-n0921010aa

yes but the spacer lift is entirely different, and IMO not a true lift.

I just wanted to highlight this because everybody on this forum seems to be fixated on AEV only offering a spacer lift. But they offer a full kit with geo brackets as well.

so it is important to specify what folks are talking about to avoid unintentionally misleading others seeking information, which has happened to me a few times here with less than complete info

probably shoulda posted the links like you did - good call

 

[ZoMojave]

I'm very happy with how it looks and drives with 35" Xtreme Recon take-offs with BFG C rated K02s.

Some people may forget about the load ratings. 33" C-rated KO2's on mine and rides like a dream for daily driving and light towing.

 

[ZoMojave]

I prefer the looks of the interior over the other levels. But that's just me.....(and my wife, too)

I wish the High-Altitude interior would've been available on my Mojave level. Very nice indeed.

 

[Lunentucker]

yes but the spacer lift is entirely different, and IMO not a true lift.

I just wanted to highlight this because everybody on this forum seems to be fixated on AEV only offering a spacer lift. But they offer a full kit with geo brackets as well.

so it is important to specify what folks are talking about to avoid unintentionally misleading others seeking information, which has happened to me a few times here with less than complete info

probably shoulda posted the links like you did - good call

Mine was an interesting journey.
Bought the Jeep, first Jeep ever, not even knowing it was lifted.
It drove like crap.
Through these forums I learned that it was lifted and I then corresponded with AEV to confirm that it was the Mojave lift and that all components that were installed were correct. I just didn't have the carrier bearing spacer or the brackets. So I got the RockJock spacer and the Rancho brackets to get mine in top form.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

yes but the spacer lift is entirely different, and IMO not a true lift.

Why?

You keep your ride.

Granted, the full articulation isn't there - but here's my answer to that - I don't give a shit. When will I EVER need full articulation - I mean full beyond what the spacer lift can give?
Be really honest - how many here even need that?
And can you tell by driving it or just looking "it's not a true lift" ??
So why isn't it?

The lift is more than springs or spacers.
As long as caster is set correctly and geometry is corrected or accounted for - what's wrong with the spacer lift?
So a person puts 1.5" spacers on, corrects caster either with adjustable control arms, and brackets to make the arms parallel again, and centers the axle, etc. - why isn't a spacer lift a lift other than not having full articulation which people brag about but more than half here would never use (it's bragging rights for most owners)

 

[chorky]

Why?

You keep your ride.

Granted, the full articulation isn't there - but here's my answer to that - I don't give a shit. When will I EVER need full articulation - I mean full beyond what the spacer lift can give?
Be really honest - how many here even need that?
And can you tell by driving it or just looking "it's not a true lift" ??
So why isn't it?

The lift is more than springs or spacers.
As long as caster is set correctly and geometry is corrected or accounted for - what's wrong with the spacer lift?
So a person puts 1.5" spacers on, corrects caster either with adjustable control arms, and brackets to make the arms parallel again, and centers the axle, etc. - why isn't a spacer lift a lift other than not having full articulation which people brag about but more than half here would never use (it's bragging rights for most owners)

My previous post was specifically to outline that AEV offers more than just a spacer lift. It seems apparent that, for some reason AEV is associated with only having a spacer as whenever that company is brought up, that is the first thing everyone gravitates to and there are probably some people on the forum who have no clue that AEV offers other options because of that. I am not trying to get into a 'what is better' debate.

Personally, I don't consider spacer lifts true lifts because often times they are the bare minimum and don't even include extensions for sway bars - some do, but I have seen some that also don't. I would consider a 'lift' to include all things necessary for the vehicle to function properly (maybe not perfect, but at least properly - which of course is subjective). I see them as a way to 'look' lifted without anything else. Maybe a better way to frame it would be, spacer lifts are the most basic lift option to fit larger tires, gain some clearance, and keep relatively the same ride quality as stock. So maybe 'true' is not the right word to use but 'complete' is more proper.

Now if a person wanted to keep the exact (or close) handling characteristics, and also included geo brackets and track bars, then this option might work out perfectly.

Also, I am really confused by your comment on articulation? Not once did I mention articulation earlier. The AEV DualSport RT (NOT the spacer lift) offers no more or less articulation than that of a spacer setup - in fact the only difference would be springs and possibly shocks if using longer/different shocks as compared to factory shocks with shock extensions and maybe also geo brackets if those were added. Articulation is not a point of discussion I was trying to make.

For me personally, I need more spring. Based on the various calculations I have made I think it is pretty fair to reason that most people, including those looking at a spacer lift, find themselves needing more spring when loaded down for a camping trip, and the family, or even just a dog. Not everyone mind you - and those using their JT strictly for road use or commuting then a properly built spacer lift will work great (pending keeping control arm geometry the same as well). But, 9 times out of 10 those looking for a lift are also looking to carry more weight on a regular basis - so the stock springs will end up sagging.

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