Pulling to the passenger side

[RavensEyeOffroad]

As the title states, my Mojave pulls to the passenger side and I am trying to figure it out. I have included an alignment I got today (sorry its not the greatest picture).
It seemed to start when i put 35s on but I cant be certain. The tires have been rotated and balanced many times and nothing really changes. I have no lift and the suspension and wheels are stock. I am not sure if they road force balanced them or not, next rotation ill make sure they are.
Air pressure is also the same in each tire. I have a small vibration at 38-43 mph, especially when its cold out mostly goes away when things warm up. The tires are Baja Boss M/T's if that matters much. Id appreciate any other things to check or look at. The entire suspension has always popped and cracked but Ive never been able to pin point anything particular.
Any ideas?
Id also like to add that the pull is not super aggressive but it is enough that I do not believe it is due to road crown or anything of that nature.
I think my next move is to swap front tires and see if the pull follows a tire or not.

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[ShadowsPapa]

As the title states, my Mojave pulls to the passenger side and I am trying to figure it out. I have included an alignment I got today (sorry its not the greatest picture).
It seemed to start when i put 35s on but I cant be certain. The tires have been rotated and balanced many times and nothing really changes. I have no lift and the suspension and wheels are stock. I am not sure if they road force balanced them or not, next rotation ill make sure they are.
Air pressure is also the same in each tire. I have a small vibration at 38-43 mph, especially when its cold out mostly goes away when things warm up. The tires are Baja Boss M/T's if that matters much. Id appreciate any other things to check or look at. The entire suspension has always popped and cracked but Ive never been able to pin point anything particular.
Any ideas?
Id also like to add that the pull is not super aggressive but it is enough that I do not believe it is due to road crown or anything of that nature.
I think my next move is to swap front tires and see if the pull follows a tire or not.

Ironically, with those camber and caster numbers, if it was going to pull due to alignment, it would pull LEFT, not right.
Camber pulls to the most positive while caster pulls - if it will at all - to the most negative or least positive.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

That's what I thought. It feels worse after the alignment.
I think they were trying to "fix" it by making it pull drivers side
I'm starting to wonder if I have a component problem or a tire problem vs alignment etc.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's what I thought. It feels worse after the alignment.
I think they were trying to "fix" it by making it pull drivers side
I'm starting to wonder if I have a component problem or a tire problem vs alignment etc.

If you check closely, the upper is the before, the next down is the after.
They did not, and can not, change caster or camber on these without changing out parts like using ball joint sleeves or different control arms and that's costly.
So no, they didn't make any changes to caster or camber. Those are identical in the before and after pics.
Jeeps can't really be aligned by dealers - all they can do is check things and set toe and center the steering wheel.
In short, the alignment did nothing. Before and after are the same other than toe and toe won't cause a pull.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

So it has to be a component or tire issue then. So I suppose swapping tires on the fronts would be easier than component chasing and will probably be my next move.

 

[Mr._Bill]

The suggestion I have, based on reading other posts, would be to loosen and re-torque all the front suspension with the truck sitting on the ground. The steering stabilizer may also need replaced. Be sure to fully extend and retract the new one multiple times before installing. New stabilizers have been reported to be a source of pull if not exercised before being put into use.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

The suggestion I have, based on reading other posts, would be to loosen and re-torque all the front suspension with the truck sitting on the ground. The steering stabilizer may also need replaced. Be sure to fully extend and retract the new one multiple times before installing. New stabilizers have been reported to be a source of pull if not exercised before being put into use.

not a bad idea. Doing some unrelated garage work maybe ill be able to pull'er in there and do that.

 

[TigerInFL]

what air pressure are you running?

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

what air pressure are you running?

around 34 psi.
35x12.5x17 stock wheels.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

Well I could not leave well enough alone and started searching on the ole youtube. I found this and it seemed to correct the pulling problem. Ill update further when i can get more time behind the wheel.

 

[jav_eee]

Well I could not leave well enough alone and started searching on the ole youtube. I found this and it seemed to correct the pulling problem. Ill update further when i can get more time behind the wheel.

All he did was center his steering wheel.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

All he did was center his steering wheel.

I know lol
it seemed like that nut he loosened on mine had moved. I could see clean threads vs dirty ones and kind of a grease film on it as if someone had tinkered with it before. My steering wheel looked exactly like his did in that thumbnail.

 

[jav_eee]

I know lol
it seemed like that nut he loosened on mine had moved. I could see clean threads vs dirty ones and kind of a grease film on it as if someone had tinkered with it before. My steering wheel looked exactly like his did in that thumbnail.

Well centering the wheel is part of the alignment process. But if yours is not centered after the alignment I’d take it back and make them do it right.

 

[RavensEyeOffroad]

Well centering the wheel is part of the alignment process. But if yours is not centered after the alignment I’d take it back and make them do it right.

well i was able to do it myself so ill save my gas :D
I think the issue wasnt that it was pulling but more that it was being steered. We'll see.
As long as the thing drives straight and my tires arent getting worn out im happy haha

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Well centering the wheel is part of the alignment process. But if yours is not centered after the alignment I’d take it back and make them do it right.

YES, what he said ^^^^

It's what they call toe split.
They are supposed to set the steering wheel at 0 degrees, then dial in half the total toe on each side.
Wheel being off-center is NOT a pull at all.
A PULL is when you let go of the wheel and it drifts to the left or to the right.

So really, the question was misleading as it sounds like you don't have any pull at all. And that makes sense looking at the alignment numbers. Those numbers would be good for our Iowa crowned roads. If you leave settings equal here, it's going to pull right on most roads, so we always alignment to give just a bit of a left "pull" or "drift" so on a crowned road it tracked true and straight. But also - when I was trained in college - and then doing alignments after that, you TEST DROVE the vehicle and if the wheel was off center or the vehicle pulled, you put it back on the rack and made it right.
Shops these days look at a printout or screen - yup, it's mostly ok, next!
I would bet no one at a dealership drives them and puts them back on the rack if it's not right.
In fact, it's a safe bet seeing the posts here about steering wheels being off after an alignment LOL

well i was able to do it myself so ill save my gas :D
I think the issue wasnt that it was pulling but more that it was being steered.

That makes no sense.......
What was likely really happening is that you tried to make the wheel straight in your hands and the truck went to the right.
Had you let go of the steering wheel, it would have likely gone straight, but the wheel would have looked crooked.
YOU were steering it - not the truck.

In other words - problem wasn't a pull at all, problem was a shop letting it out the door with an incorrect toe split and the wheel off center when it was going straight down the road.

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