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See I thoroughly enjoy the fact we can discuss this like actual fuckin adults. No emotions, just facts and perspective.

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what Ford and Toyota are prepping to do. Build to order only
Ford has been talking about this for 4 years. I'll believe it when I see it. The fact of the matter is that these manufacturers need to run their production lines daily at capacity to maximize efficiency and justify the expense of being open.
 

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What I think will happen is that some amount of price increase will be put on the consumer, corporations won't eat that cost.

Then, outside of the public eye, they'd find a way to make their buck. I'm picturing a backdoor agreement with the exporter wherein they devalue the goods being shipped (it's all just a number written on a customs form). Then exporter charges that same amount to the buyer plus a handful of new "fees" that then make up for what is seeming to be lost on the cost of goods.

Corporation making the purchase pays the same amount as before, exporter makes the same amount as before, consumer pays more and corporation rakes in more profit.

Welcome to America.
 

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Yeah so you think all of the torque to yield bolts and hardware is made in the US?

All of these countries will either play ball or companies will create new in country production chains to keep their businesses going. Look back to the 1920s-50s........Ford built/manufactured/ produced everything on site they need to build Model Ts and As. There were no supply issues because they did it all. Bring that back and look at the jobs and taxes revenue that will be created.

Nothing political......just referring to previous business models that were successful on all levels.
In a perfect world that's what would happen. Unfortunately this is far from a perfect world. Tariffs end up affecting the end user. That's a fact.
 

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In a perfect world that's what would happen. Unfortunately this is far from a perfect world. Tariffs end up affecting the end user. That's a fact.
Agreed and wishful thinking
 

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Yeah it's easy when everyone eats from the same side of the table.

The reality is that american exceptionalism is a myth. It's an illusion. We don't solder two wires together better than some sweatshop kid in china. No, we only pay way way more to do it, that's why those jobs go to china and india. And the answer is tariffs? LOL. Those costs will simply be passed along to the end consumer - struggling americans. It looks good on paper, it's a great lip-service campaign promise and rallying cry, but it's not good for real people.
 

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No one is happy Walmart is the largest employer (outside the federal government) but what new field will require a very large limited skill labor force.
I have to focus on limited skill. The majority of Americans aren't able or willing to develop skills. I would argue 40% or more not able due to cognitive or physical limitations.
šŸ˜‚ I’ll take your 40% and raise it another 20%…… 🤣
……..you said ā€œCognitiveā€ šŸ˜†
 

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Ford has been talking about this for 4 years. I'll believe it when I see it. The fact of the matter is that these manufacturers need to run their production lines daily at capacity to maximize efficiency and justify the expense of being open.
Thats fair but Ford does a lot of fleet production. Fleet demand alone has to keep some plants 100% occupied. Or at least I'd imagine so. Plus certain vehicles will always be in demand and aren't individual targeted. the F150 can just stamp out as quickly as possible because there is always demand. No need to make it BTO exclusive. The mustang on the other hand, enthusiast and small market. Its more cost effective to maximized production on models like to F150 and make the Mustang BTO only to minimize its impact to Ford's cost. Same with Stellantis, Jeep can afford to be a BTO only brand while Ram stamps out utility trucks like no tomorrow. Moving an enthusiast product in bulk just sounds and appears to be unsustainable. Think of Tesla. Sure they have BTO but they also have consistent non stop production for certain models in the commercial side. Certain plants are for BTO performance models only, and the demand is still high enough to make those plants exclusive to that purpose and keep one of em stateside as well. I don't see why other brands can't do the same. Toledo can stay 1000% open just doing BTO Jeep orders on exclusively Gladiators and Wranglers. I could also see it feasible to consolidate to just those 2 models as well for the Jeep brand. Just like i think Ford could run of off just F series production alone and cut out the rest. Jeep isn't standing on its own, it doesn't need to encompass the whole market like other brands. Stellantis can utilize its other brands for that within its own portfolio. Jeep imo would be better off as a BTO exculsive brand with a much smaller model range offering. If tesla and rivian can pull off a 3-4 car model lineups. There's no reason Jeep can't.
 

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Toyota and vw and mb build in the USA only because non union labor costs in the us are lower than their home costs

Usa needs more full time jobs. But we need more skilled jobs. Working the line in a plant isn't going to be it. Specialty skills in metallurgy and other related skills have high value but won't generate 10 million jobs.

The auto industry in the USA won't ever employ 10 million people ( about the labor market equivalent to peak early 70s) too much is automated now.

No one is happy Walmart is the largest employer (outside the federal government) but what new field will require a very large limited skill labor force.
I have to focus on limited skill. The majority of Americans aren't able or willing to develop skills. I would argue 40% or more not able due to cognitive or physical limitations. I just don't see a future where that 40,% will get a job in a field for.30.years and have the American dream.

Short of another world wide event that impacts the world's production centers but doesn't impact the USA.
I see it the same way. What do you think any country can do about opening more skilled labor jobs. I think we are starting to witness automation rapidly consuming the skilled industry. sure we need it but I don't think we can get it back. People aren't efficient enough anymore in many fields that could support the demand. We can't all be tradesmen. There's not much of an option for a young person to start in a skill based industry and just work for 30 years and get out. tariffs at this point is just the worlds shittiest bandaid for a sucking chest wound as far as i can tell. But then again what's the alternative? Its only a matter of time before Walmart and Amazon don't need people anymore. Then what? 90% of the population just lives off government allowance? And the only option we're given to find a solution? a red or blue dildo to get shafted with for the next 4 years!
 

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Yeah it's easy when everyone eats from the same side of the table.

The reality is that american exceptionalism is a myth. It's an illusion. We don't solder two wires together better than some sweatshop kid in china. No, we only pay way way more to do it, that's why those jobs go to china and india. And the answer is tariffs? LOL. Those costs will simply be passed along to the end consumer - struggling americans. It looks good on paper, it's a great lip-service campaign promise and rallying cry, but it's not good for real people.
I don't think there is a "good" for real people anymore. People use to be a corner stone to the economies in which they lived. Now we are merely tiny cogs with little to no power over the machine. It doesn't need us anymore or at least that's were its heading. Why does it matter if you or I can afford a house or a car if there's a larger corporations already meeting the needs of that market? we outsourced ourselves ultimately. A proverbial falling on ones own sword you could say.
 

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A.I. and automation are the death sentence for human labor doing menial tasks....and even many mid-level human tasks. All those flunkees and dropouts won't even be able to flip burgers anymore.

But...tariffs and renaming bodies of water will solve it.
 

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I see it the same way. What do you think any country can do about opening more skilled labor jobs. I think we are starting to witness automation rapidly consuming the skilled industry. sure we need it but I don't think we can get it back. People aren't efficient enough anymore in many fields that could support the demand. We can't all be tradesmen. There's not much of an option for a young person to start in a skill based industry and just work for 30 years and get out. tariffs at this point is just the worlds shittiest bandaid for a sucking chest wound as far as i can tell. But then again what's the alternative? Its only a matter of time before Walmart and Amazon don't need people anymore. Then what? 90% of the population just lives off government allowance? And the only option we're given to find a solution? a red or blue dildo to get shafted with for the next 4 years!
Don’t forget… A lot of Automation (especially in production) is created to prevent accidents, injuries (both long & short term), and quality concerns. Humans are not machines. We can’t do things consistently, efficiently, correctly, and every once in a while….we stick our hands where they don’t belong and end up with only 3 fingers and a HUGE insurance claim.

I worked in a factory for 20 years….. The amount of $$ manufacturers spend on making things ā€˜ergonomically correct’ just to prevent long term & short term claims and employees missing work - yet it still exists. There’s always those folks who play the system and fake it just to collect…..

I get it….… and totally understand why automation is important.

Skilled Labor? If you’re in a skilled labor position and actually skilled at it…..then you have half a brain to learn more and move up (if you want). Most folks don’t have any motivation or initiative to go there.

We’re screwed no matter how you look at it….. Too many people making careers from making internet videos. šŸ™„. We’re ALL to blame….for watching those videos! At some point, the bottom will fall out and those folks won’t know how to pick up a pen let alone write a resume. Off to Walmart they go…..
Oh, I need to stop…..šŸ˜Ž
 

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Yeah it's easy when everyone eats from the same side of the table.

The reality is that american exceptionalism is a myth. It's an illusion. We don't solder two wires together better than some sweatshop kid in china. No, we only pay way way more to do it, that's why those jobs go to china and india. And the answer is tariffs? LOL. Those costs will simply be passed along to the end consumer - struggling americans. It looks good on paper, it's a great lip-service campaign promise and rallying cry, but it's not good for real people.
And the rich get richer. On and on it goes.
 

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Don’t forget… A lot of Automation (especially in production) is created to prevent accidents, injuries (both long & short term), and quality concerns. Humans are not machines. We can’t do things consistently, efficiently, correctly, and every once in a while….we stick our hands where they don’t belong and end up with only 3 fingers and a HUGE insurance claim.

I worked in a factory for 20 years….. The amount of $$ manufacturers spend on making things ā€˜ergonomically correct’ just to prevent long term & short term claims and employees missing work - yet it still exists. There’s always those folks who play the system and fake it just to collect…..

I get it….… and totally understand why automation is important.

Skilled Labor? If you’re in a skilled labor position and actually skilled at it…..then you have half a brain to learn more and move up (if you want). Most folks don’t have any motivation or initiative to go there.

We’re screwed no matter how you look at it….. Too many people making careers from making internet videos. šŸ™„. We’re ALL to blame….for watching those videos! At some point, the bottom will fall out and those folks won’t know how to pick up a pen let alone write a resume. Off to Walmart they go…..
Oh, I need to stop…..šŸ˜Ž
My ass better be fully retired before then. Gotta bust my ass now while there's still a job willing to pay me this much. IDK if i should have kids cus idk what they'll be able to do 30 years from now.
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