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[Sweetums]

They don't have insurance because they can't afford it. Suing them just gets you another headache and legal fees.

Another judgement-proof idiot. Can't get blood from a stone.

They really need to start jailing these people. As one judge put it when this came up in court "If you can't afford insurance, you can't afford to drive".

Start revoking their ability to register a car for starters. Lapsed insurance means no more renewal stickers or plates for at least the next 5 years.

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[Deleted member 57233]

Another judgement-proof idiot. Can't get blood from a stone.

They really need to start jailing these people. As one judge put it when this came up in court "If you can't afford insurance, you can't afford to drive".

Start revoking their ability to register a car for starters. Lapsed insurance means no more renewal stickers or plates for at least the next 5 years.

That's how it already is in a lot of places, you can't register without insurance coverage. The state gets notified when your coverage lapses, and they pull your registration. I get a mailer every time I change insurance saying I have to provide my new insurance info or my registration will be cancelled.

But people that drive without insurance, don't care about having registration either.

 

[Sweetums]

That's how it already is in a lot of places, you can't register without insurance coverage. The state gets notified when your coverage lapses, and they pull your registration. I get a mailer every time I change insurance saying I have to provide my new insurance info or my registration will be cancelled.

But people that drive without insurance, don't care about having registration either.

The problem is people get insurance for a month and then stop paying it. In my world, any time you let your insurance lapse you get a five year ban on any new vehicle registration or renewals - so when that beater craps out and you buy another one you don't get plates and can't get renewal stickers.
No plates or renewal sticker is way easier to spot on the road than no insurance, so your shit gets impounded and turned into a washing machine.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Another judgement-proof idiot. Can't get blood from a stone.

They really need to start jailing these people. As one judge put it when this came up in court "If you can't afford insurance, you can't afford to drive".

Start revoking their ability to register a car for starters. Lapsed insurance means no more renewal stickers or plates for at least the next 5 years.

It's not politically correct to do so. This came from a friend who was directly involved:
Woman hit another car at an intersection. No insurance. No citation. Was allowed to drive away from scene by Des Moines police. As the police explained - she wasn't meaning any harm and can't afford insurance, let her go. It's a political hot potato here. People are handed licenses like candy.
WHO TV set up outside of a court house a few years back. One reporter inside, another outside with camera. The guy inside would tell the one outside "coming out, license revoked, ordered not to drive, here's their description".
The outside reporter and camera operator would find the person walking out and try to ask how they will get home now without a license. They are shoved aside as those people got into their cars and drove away.
How are you going to catch them with police and patrol numbers down to 1/5 what they used to be?
And if they are certain people - it's suggested to "leave them alone" here in Polk County.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

The problem is people get insurance for a month and then stop paying it. In my world, any time you let your insurance lapse you get a five year ban on any new vehicle registration or renewals - so when that beater craps out and you buy another one you don't get plates and can't get renewal stickers.
No plates or renewal sticker is way easier to spot on the road than no insurance, so your shit gets impounded and turned into a washing machine.

The insurance companies report to the states now, so if they stop paying after a month, the registration gets yanked. The bigger issue is people don't care. I see a handful of cars without plates or temp tags every day. It's just not something that is regularly enforced unless another law is being broken.

I used to have one motorcycle plate that I switched between all my motorcycles

 

[Sweetums]

The other thing I would do is that if you have no insurance, you forfeit your right to sue anyone else for vehicle-related damages or injuries. You don't get to get a payday off someone else's insurance if you aren't playing by the same rules.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

It's not politically correct to do so. This came from a friend who was directly involved:
Woman hit another car at an intersection. No insurance. No citation. Was allowed to drive away from scene by Des Moines police. As the police explained - she wasn't meaning any harm and can't afford insurance, let her go. It's a political hot potato here. People are handed licenses like candy.
WHO TV set up outside of a court house a few years back. One reporter inside, another outside with camera. The guy inside would tell the one outside "coming out, license revoked, ordered not to drive, here's their description".
The outside reporter and camera operator would find the person walking out and try to ask how they will get home now without a license. They are shoved aside as those people got into their cars and drove away.
How are you going to catch them with police and patrol numbers down to 1/5 what they used to be?
And if they are certain people - it's suggested to "leave them alone" here in Polk County.

The people that have a hard on for locking everyone up, are the same people that scream and cry about having to pay for more cops and prisons lol

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The people that have a hard on for locking everyone up, are the same people that scream and cry about having to pay for more cops and prisons lol

Hardly. You generalize too much based on your own leanings.

 

[Sweetums]

The people that have a hard on for locking everyone up, are the same people that scream and cry about having to pay for more cops and prisons lol

Man, I used to live in a town that was understaffed by over 50 officers. I drove to Oakland, CA to buy groceries because it was safer than where I lived.

Now, what I do want (and would gladly pay for) is requiring cops to have more than 90 days of training before handing them an AR-15, 12 ga, 9mm pistol, and tell the barely-finished-high school guy to go handle high-intensity situations. My friend had to get a JD and pass the Bar Exam to practice law, but someone with an 8th grade reading level who can do pushups is qualified to enforce the law? Get out of here.

And don't even get me started on the intersection between law enforcement and mental health. There's nothing I love more than the barely-literate gorilla with a gun second-guessing my clinical judgement.

 

[Lost1wing]

This is my son's TJ. Hard to imagine how the Audi was able to launch the TJ up high enough to contact a tree limb. He landed on all 4 wheels and the Audi made a second contact, side swipping the TJ and wedging into the right front wheel well.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Hardly. You generalize too much based on your own leanings.

Pot, meet kettle

 

[Lost1wing]

Man, I used to live in a town that was understaffed by over 50 officers. I drove to Oakland, CA to buy groceries because it was safer than where I lived.

Now, what I do want (and would gladly pay for) is requiring cops to have more than 90 days of training before handing them an AR-15, 12 ga, 9mm pistol, and tell the barely-finished-high school guy to go handle high-intensity situations. My friend had to get a JD and pass the Bar Exam to practice law, but someone with an 8th grade reading level who can do pushups is qualified to enforce the law? Get out of here.

And don't even get me started on the intersection between law enforcement and mental health. There's nothing I love more than the barely-literate gorilla with a gun second-guessing my clinical judgement.

I like your idea of lossing rights if you don't play by the rules. It should be that way when the perp breaks into a house, no rights. Lawyers see it differently.

However, we will never attract a rocket scientist to be a police officer until they get compensated appropriately. You get a few different personalities when hiring officers. Those who crave the authority, those who are desperate for a job and those who want to serve the people. My son and daughter have training and recurrent training all of the time. It just so happens that money is the nbr one reason for the lack of training. That is a forbidden topic. You hear about lack of training all of the time. I have not seen that here. Kind of like 3.6l cam failures, it happens but not the norm.

 

[Lost1wing]

The people that have a hard on for locking everyone up, are the same people that scream and cry about having to pay for more cops and prisons lol

You are probably right!

 

[Sweetums]

I like your idea of lossing rights if you don't play by the rules. It should be that way when the perp breaks into a house, no rights. Lawyers see it differently.

However, we will never attract a rocket scientist to be a police officer until they get compensated appropriately. You get a few different personalities when hiring officers. Those who crave the authority, those who are desperate for a job and those who want to serve the people. My son and daughter have training and recurrent training all of the time. It just so happens that money is the nbr one reason for the lack of training. That is a forbidden topic. You hear about lack of training all of the time. I have not seen that here. Kind of like 3.6l cam failures, it happens but not the norm.

I don't want to attract a rocket scientist, but having at least the equivalent of a 2 year degree for a beat cop and a bachelor's for a lieutenant or above seems reasonable for someone whose entire job is to make life-or-death decisions, investigate crimes, and testify effectively in court.

I've read way too many police reports that sound like they were written in crayon, it doesn't help that police departments don't want people who are intelligent or have critical thinking skills. They want average to low-average intelligence with a focus on obedience and conformity to the police culture. (Jordan v New London, 2003)

As for the "no rights when breaking in" - that varies by state, but is true for any state with a Castle Doctrine.

 

[Verne]

Headed into town earlier this week, only a couple miles on the interstate and cruise set at 72mph, when I suddenly caught a glimpse in the outside mirror of a silver car closing fast and veering towards me. Absolutely no time to react or even say anything and the truck got nailed in the left rear corner. The car spun around and its rear end hit the left side of the cab and bed shortly thereafter, then we both headed into the grass off the right side of the road and came to rest.

Thankfully injuries were only minor, but holy hell, can't anybody drive worth a damn anymore? Is it asking too much for folks to pay attention to where they're going as they hurtle down the road? Maybe even slow the hell down and not act like they're trying out for a role in some idiotic road race flick.

The truck held up pretty well considering the lady hit me hard enough to set off all her airbags and shove her right front passenger wheel back almost into her door. Best part is (surprise surprise) she had no insurance.

So now I take some Aleve and wait for word from the body shop whether the truck's going to get fixed or totaled. At last word there is some frame damage and cost estimate is already near 50% value.

Same thing happened to my mom. Dude was on drugs. Glad you are okay.

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