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[RhinoJT]

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[Flyin6]

There are plenty older than me on this forum, but I've been wheeling since I was 15, so I've been around and seen a bit. I know I'm a smart ass by nature and a lot of my posts come off as a "my way is the right way", but I'm just sharing my experience and what I've seen work. If it saves 1 person some headache or encourages them to get the vehicle into a safer place to work on it that's a win for me.

I'd be one of them.

Not sure if that is good or bad, I prefer to think it is a very good thing. I purchased my first Jeep in 1979 and wheeled it in Kentucky. That one was a 6-cyl and a 4-speed with nothing like a locker or limited slip (or even a winch. I have owned Jeeps or 4WDs ever since and have wheeled in North and South America, Europe, and Asia.
Having watched this "Sport" evolve over the decades has been both interesting and, to a degree, disappointing. Back when I was starting, it seemed like most people could handle hard work, fix their own things, and stand for something. I see only a shadow of that now. I remember trying to figure out how to fit a F250 High-Boy Dana 44 into a jeep, and getting it done was more the thing. I want to say we were not afraid to tackle hard things. What I see today are a lot of posers. Jeeps with different colored door and hood hinges and gadgets stacked on top of gadgets. I believe it is more about boasting that function. Heck, I know very few folks who ever took their Jeeps off-road, but have noisy mud tires, 1,000,000,000 lumen headlights, and obnoxious stereo systems. (I don't like noisy tires, but actually need them)
Most people today have it so easy that they no longer know how to work hard for something. People talk a lot and seem to be offended by everything. Most men, if you want to call them that, have never tasted their own blood fighting a bully. But I'm actually good with it. I do believe you get to choose your own destiny and make your own choices. As long as you don't cross my lane, we're good. I can tell you that those who spend more time looking at their cell phone than looking around a forested animal path get little to no respect from people of my vintage.
Even if we don't like it, we no longer care. Our time is short, and the youth will now have to figure out how to get it all done themselves. I do believe that when the more seasoned and tougher men of yesteryear are gone, the youth are gonna find out very quickly that there is no downloadable app to replace our experience and wisdom
Good Luck, I'll be rooting for ya from the other side!

 

[Zachanadandy]

I'd be one of them.

Not sure if that is good or bad, I prefer to think it is a very good thing. I purchased my first Jeep in 1979 and wheeled it in Kentucky. That one was a 6-cyl and a 4-speed with nothing like a locker or limited slip (or even a winch. I have owned Jeeps or 4WDs ever since and have wheeled in North and South America, Europe, and Asia.
Having watched this "Sport" evolve over the decades has been both interesting and, to a degree, disappointing. Back when I was starting, it seemed like most people could handle hard work, fix their own things, and stand for something. I see only a shadow of that now. I remember trying to figure out how to fit a F250 High-Boy Dana 44 into a jeep, and getting it done was more the thing. I want to say we were not afraid to tackle hard things. What I see today are a lot of posers. Jeeps with different colored door and hood hinges and gadgets stacked on top of gadgets. I believe it is more about boasting that function. Heck, I know very few folks who ever took their Jeeps off-road, but have noisy mud tires, 1,000,000,000 lumen headlights, and obnoxious stereo systems. (I don't like noisy tires, but actually need them)
Most people today have it so easy that they no longer know how to work hard for something. People talk a lot and seem to be offended by everything. Most men, if you want to call them that, have never tasted their own blood fighting a bully. But I'm actually good with it. I do believe you get to choose your own destiny and make your own choices. As long as you don't cross my lane, we're good. I can tell you that those who spend more time looking at their cell phone than looking around a forested animal path get little to no respect from people of my vintage.
Even if we don't like it, we no longer care. Our time is short, and the youth will now have to figure out how to get it all done themselves. I do believe that when the more seasoned and tougher men of yesteryear are gone, the youth are gonna find out very quickly that there is no downloadable app to replace our experience and wisdom
Good Luck, I'll be rooting for ya from the other side!

I've raised my son to be a good man. He knows how to work with his hands, troubleshoot and repair things, and defend himself. I try and instill as much of that as I can in the dozens of apprentices who've worked for me over the years. Being a construction worker I see more of the old school men that are left in our society than most, but it's declining rapidly. I try my best to keep the positives of masculinity obvious to those around me. I've stopped and helped strangers with flat ties, stuck rigs, etc many times and will continue to do so. I've defended random women when the men they are with are behaving aggressively. Is there a risk in these interactions? Of course but I accept that risk to do the right thing. That's all we can do.

 

[RhinoJT]

I'd be one of them.

Not sure if that is good or bad, I prefer to think it is a very good thing. I purchased my first Jeep in 1979 and wheeled it in Kentucky. That one was a 6-cyl and a 4-speed with nothing like a locker or limited slip (or even a winch. I have owned Jeeps or 4WDs ever since and have wheeled in North and South America, Europe, and Asia.
Having watched this "Sport" evolve over the decades has been both interesting and, to a degree, disappointing. Back when I was starting, it seemed like most people could handle hard work, fix their own things, and stand for something. I see only a shadow of that now. I remember trying to figure out how to fit a F250 High-Boy Dana 44 into a jeep, and getting it done was more the thing. I want to say we were not afraid to tackle hard things. What I see today are a lot of posers. Jeeps with different colored door and hood hinges and gadgets stacked on top of gadgets. I believe it is more about boasting that function. Heck, I know very few folks who ever took their Jeeps off-road, but have noisy mud tires, 1,000,000,000 lumen headlights, and obnoxious stereo systems. (I don't like noisy tires, but actually need them)
Most people today have it so easy that they no longer know how to work hard for something. People talk a lot and seem to be offended by everything. Most men, if you want to call them that, have never tasted their own blood fighting a bully. But I'm actually good with it. I do believe you get to choose your own destiny and make your own choices. As long as you don't cross my lane, we're good. I can tell you that those who spend more time looking at their cell phone than looking around a forested animal path get little to no respect from people of my vintage.
Even if we don't like it, we no longer care. Our time is short, and the youth will now have to figure out how to get it all done themselves. I do believe that when the more seasoned and tougher men of yesteryear are gone, the youth are gonna find out very quickly that there is no downloadable app to replace our experience and wisdom
Good Luck, I'll be rooting for ya from the other side!

First off.. 47s or 60s?
Second, everyone can do as they wish with their hard earned money, and these things are the ultimate Lego sets( and arguably a worse addiction than just getting some coke on the weekend). I do agree with the hard work aspect of life, not all have the means or the time however. I still am sad the day I had to sell my 2 door Rubi, V8 swapped myself, tons 38s, 3 links, wheeled it hard. I have owned 6 jeeps, and broken a lot of stuff over the years. Got the gladiator to be able to take my two boys out and still have a relatively capable rig. Yet for me, the harder core stuff probably won’t be happening for a while, and that’s fine. You have two sides that are great for this hobby.. driving the jeep and tinkering on it, I’m sure most of us have the tinkering issue ( idle hands for me). I would absolutely listen to the advice you two bring to the table, sounds like years of fun and all the bloody knuckles it took to get to that knowledge. However, the “my way or no way”, comes off more aggressive when you come in hot with the, oh you must be a poser/ mall crawler/ POG / whatever that F%#^, it doesn’t matter. My first WTI in the sqaudron was a super smart and a super experienced guy. He had vast amounts of knowledge and dang near could recite to you any sentence from any SOP from any document, it was wild really. However, he was a terrible instructor. Came off as pompous, smug, degrading and an “IKE”. ( I know everything guy). He had a wealth of knowledge and experience to share, yet he couldn’t get out of his own way to do his one job and teach that. The hobby has attracted many from all walks, the brand speaks for itself. If someones got the money, and wants to do whatever mod, go for it. People want to be a part of it fad,(which I would argue this goes well beyond a fad and then some) can’t hate on that. Now don’t go screen punching me or anything, I agree with a lot your thoughts, tons of mods I see and hate, but hey, at least they are happy. And yeah, working on them is fun too, and sometime I also want to just drop a GBU-32 on it and rage. No hate from my side, just a dumb crayon eaters obs.

 

[Flyin6]

I've raised my son to be a good man. He knows how to work with his hands, troubleshoot and repair things, and defend himself. I try and instill as much of that as I can in the dozens of apprentices who've worked for me over the years. Being a construction worker I see more of the old school men that are left in our society than most, but it's declining rapidly. I try my best to keep the positives of masculinity obvious to those around me. I've stopped and helped strangers with flat ties, stuck rigs, etc many times and will continue to do so. I've defended random women when the men they are with are behaving aggressively. Is there a risk in these interactions? Of course but I accept that risk to do the right thing. That's all we can do.

You are acting in the manner of what I call a real man. I spent the majority of my adult years in the military. Similarly, the people I was around were tough, gritty, and unapologetic. We all laugh at the term, Toxic Masculinity." I'd say we were more our natural selves than some of the more artificial manifestations I see these days. I raised a bunch as well—three boys, all of whom served or are still serving. One is a Ranger, one an Infantryman, and the other an aviator. I told my girls to only date a guy who owns a toolbox and knows how to use it. One did not listen, and that relationship fell apart.
I don't actually like to go wheeling with some people. Many are not prepared, asking, "Why did you bring a shovel?" I guess they expect me to dig and winch them out.
I had to figure things out for myself, so it's fair to expect the same from the youth. I taught my boys to defend themselves in elementary school. They all owned their own rifle, shotgun, and pistol before they were teens. I often recall my youngest, just a boy, walking around the farm with a .45 on his hip. And we have never had any gun-related incident. They hunt, fish, work on their own vehicles, have savings put away, and act responsibly.
I would worry about the future of this nation, but, again, having done my time, I'll just ride around and bush hog while the world goes on.

 

[Flyin6]

First off.. 47s or 60s?
Second, everyone can do as they wish with their hard earned money, and these things are the ultimate Lego sets( and arguably a worse addiction than just getting some coke on the weekend). I do agree with the hard work aspect of life, not all have the means or the time however. I still am sad the day I had to sell my 2 door Rubi, V8 swapped myself, tons 38s, 3 links, wheeled it hard. I have owned 6 jeeps, and broken a lot of stuff over the years. Got the gladiator to be able to take my two boys out and still have a relatively capable rig. Yet for me, the harder core stuff probably won’t be happening for a while, and that’s fine. You have two sides that are great for this hobby.. driving the jeep and tinkering on it, I’m sure most of us have the tinkering issue ( idle hands for me). I would absolutely listen to the advice you two bring to the table, sounds like years of fun and all the bloody knuckles it took to get to that knowledge. However, the “my way or no way”, comes off more aggressive when you come in hot with the, oh you must be a poser/ mall crawler/ POG / whatever that F%#^, it doesn’t matter. My first WTI in the sqaudron was a super smart and a super experienced guy. He had vast amounts of knowledge and dang near could recite to you any sentence from any SOP from any document, it was wild really. However, he was a terrible instructor. Came off as pompous, smug, degrading and an “IKE”. ( I know everything guy). He had a wealth of knowledge and experience to share, yet he couldn’t get out of his own way to do his one job and teach that. The hobby has attracted many from all walks, the brand speaks for itself. If someones got the money, and wants to do whatever mod, go for it. People want to be a part of it fad,(which I would argue this goes well beyond a fad and then some) can’t hate on that. Now don’t go screen punching me or anything, I agree with a lot your thoughts, tons of mods I see and hate, but hey, at least they are happy. And yeah, working on them is fun too, and sometime I also want to just drop a GBU-32 on it and rage. No hate from my side, just a dumb crayon eaters obs.

Why do you guys call yourselves crayon eaters...Never got that, but you gotta like a jarhead. ;-)

Ah, 47's...MH-47, along with others. Also MH-6, AH-1, UH-1, OH-58, and, well, a bunch of others...Jets too. I am also a WTI, class of 84-01. Please take a look at the pics, the 47 flying in the 53 section is mine. All our class pics will show an aviator with a white German Shepherd head with sunglasses. My group was kinda hush-hush then, so they covered our faces...funny. Made a bunch of friends there in Yuma.

I naturally come off as I did, so there's that. Yeah, I don't care if you bolt on 57 Chevy hood ornaments to your jeep, I just think it's silly. And as I have said, folks have a right to do that. I think people like you and I have provided them the freedom to do so.

Say whatever you want, I'm good with it. Been shot at too many times to care about some keyboard jousting. Just do me a favor, will ya...Stay safe in that aluminum can and keep on poking holes in people who deserve it!

 

[MSFTMatt]

Well this thread sure took a hard turn from tire carriers to what it is to “be a man” and how soft the youth is

 

[RhinoJT]

Why do you guys call yourselves crayon eaters...Never got that, but you gotta like a jarhead. ;-)

Ah, 47's...MH-47, along with others. Also MH-6, AH-1, UH-1, OH-58, and, well, a bunch of others...Jets too. I am also a WTI, class of 84-01. Please take a look at the pics, the 47 flying in the 53 section is mine. All our class pics will show an aviator with a white German Shepherd head with sunglasses. My group was kinda hush-hush then, so they covered our faces...funny. Made a bunch of friends there in Yuma.

I naturally come off as I did, so there's that. Yeah, I don't care if you bolt on 57 Chevy hood ornaments to your jeep, I just think it's silly. And as I have said, folks have a right to do that. I think people like you and I have provided them the freedom to do so.

Say whatever you want, I'm good with it. Been shot at too many times to care about some keyboard jousting. Just do me a favor, will ya...Stay safe in that aluminum can and keep on poking holes in people who deserve it!

We are a self deprecating people, the worse the better! Haha. Hell yeah, I really do love the 47s a lot, thought a few times of latting over to fly them, but the big sh%tter still gets me every time, not quite ready to leave it. I’ll look at the wall next time I’m there.
Cheers brother!

Semper Fi!

 

[Zachanadandy]

Well this thread sure took a hard turn from tire carriers to what it is to “be a man” and how soft the youth is

It's a discuuson forum. Like any conversation in real life it goes where it goes. The thread starts with a topic and goes any which direction the posters steer it in. I wonder if the people who cry about the original topic like it's a mandate and the only thing acceptable to post about are like that in real life? Must be a joy to converse with if they are.

 

[MSFTMatt]

It's a discuuson forum. Like any conversation in real life it goes where it goes. The thread starts with a topic and goes any which direction the posters steer it in. I wonder if the people who cry about the original topic like it's a mandate and the only thing acceptable to post about are like that in real life? Must be a joy to converse with if they are.

No, I'd imagine they are not since conversations do not have titles about the topic at hand.

 

[ericw.]

It's a discuuson forum. Like any conversation in real life it goes where it goes. The thread starts with a topic and goes any which direction the posters steer it in. I wonder if the people who cry about the original topic like it's a mandate and the only thing acceptable to post about are like that in real life? Must be a joy to converse with if they are.

I'm not an old guy yet (mid 30's) so I can't relate entirely but I do appreciate when admins just let things play out on forums.. even when it gets a little heated. As long as it stays somewhat constructive I guess.

I've been donating to the Wrangler Forum for a few years only because they take this similar approach.

 

[Flyin6]

We are a self deprecating people, the worse the better! Haha. Hell yeah, I really do love the 47s a lot, thought a few times of latting over to fly them, but the big sh%tter still gets me every time, not quite ready to leave it. I’ll look at the wall next time I’m there.
Cheers brother!

Semper Fi!

Come on over, we'd take ya. I tried to get some of the WTIs there at MAWTS-1 to switch. I love the attitude of the folks in the Corps—warrior mentality. In the Armee, you have to kick over the rocks to find them. But as you know, a pretty good concentration of them is there at Campbell and the other locations. Well, I should say, they would take you; I'm put out to pasture. Took a medevac out of Afghanistan that put a fork in my career. The MH47 is awesome. Not just the aircraft, but the mission, and it sounds like you are familiar. That wall you speak of... I knew so many of them. I raised a couple from nothing...Gave their lives in a conflict nobody even knows about. I wish I had a second youth to do it all again...

Be good
NSDQ

 

[Zachanadandy]

No, I'd imagine they are not since conversations do not have titles about the topic at hand.

How's that topic policing working out for you? All you managed to do was introduce yet another unrelated topic.

 

[MSFTMatt]

How's that topic policing wheeling out for you? All you managed to do was introduce yet another unrelated topic.

No policing dude just pointed out how far the topic had gone from the original. I'm not a mod and I'm not here to enforce rules

 

[Zachanadandy]

No policing dude just pointed out how far the topic had gone from the original. I'm not a mod and I'm not here to enforce rules

Is staying on topic a rule? If so I should have been banned a long time ago. Complaining about rules that are only made up in your head seems pointless to me.

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