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If the true vehicle payload is important to you, I'd suggest going by what that door jamb sticker says on the truck you're interested in versus anything else.
The problem with that is I generally order my Jeeps, so I don't have that option until after the fact, which is why I must use the information Jeep provides to inform my decision. Especially since my dealer is almost 2hrs away, and apparently there are zero 2026 model max tows optioned the way I want sitting on a lot anywhere in the country, and the nearest 2026 max tow of any sort is 7hrs away. Which is how the conversation turned to Rubicons, and the 2025 Rubicon sitting on the lot at a sister dealership the next state over that is configured exactly the way I want (and then some)that he will sell me for less than the 2026 sport s max tow.


One note on GCVW: an increase in curb weight won't necessarily (and most likely won't) cause a change in the maximum combined weight allowed. While it may seem like GCVW can be calculated like payload can, just add up curb weight, payload, and tow rating, that simply isn't true. GCVW is a fixed number defining how much a vehicle and trailer combo can weigh, no more. A simple check of the difference between GCVW and GVWR not equaling the tow rating easily demonstrates this.
I understand it may not be an exact thing, but if the curb weight stays the same and payload and towing capacity change, you would think the combined number would too. Especially in the example where the combined weight - curb weight - trailer weight = a remaining payload capacity so low adding a driver puts you overweight.

It's probably all academic at this point, because I decided to take the deal on the 2025, unless somebody else beat me to it. The discrepancies and misinformation about critical specs are still annoying, and to me at least are not in the same league as errors in the "build a jeep" website. That has always been just a starting point. Something to give to the dealer, who then uses that to order what you want. But things like towing and payload capacity need to be clear and consistent. If the owner's manual tells you the place to find the towing capacity is at a certain website, that website has got to be accurate. What happens If someone buys a 2026 Rubicon, and gets in an accident towing their 7,350lb camper? Their owner's manual makes no mention of a door sticker, it tells them to go to website, and that website told them they can safely tow 7.700 lbs. Why won't their insurance cover this? Why are they getting sued? Why did the police say they were negligent and at fault for being overweight?
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The problem with that is I generally order my Jeeps, so I don't have that option until after the fact, which is why I must use the information Jeep provides to inform my decision. Especially since my dealer is almost 2hrs away, and apparently there are zero 2026 model max tows optioned the way I want sitting on a lot anywhere in the country, and the nearest 2026 max tow of any sort is 7hrs away. Which is how the conversation turned to Rubicons, and the 2025 Rubicon sitting on the lot at a sister dealership the next state over that is configured exactly the way I want (and then some)that he will sell me for less than the 2026 sport s max tow.
If I was in your shoes, I would contact the dealerships with the trucks you're interested in and ask them to provide the payload number listed on the door jamb sticker. Pretty safe to say they'd accommodate that request if it meant it might lead to a sale.

I understand it may not be an exact thing, but if the curb weight stays the same and payload and towing capacity change, you would think the combined number would too. Especially in the example where the combined weight - curb weight - trailer weight = a remaining payload capacity so low adding a driver puts you overweight.
Therein lies the rub... GCVW is a fixed number because it denotes the maximum combined weight that the tow vehicle can safely control. The reasons for one version of the truck versus another having different payload and tow capacities are varied and not always readily apparent. Two trucks with identical curb weights can have totally different payload and tow capacity due to different equipment packages for instance, or there's a difference in suspension setup, or a difference in gearing, or some combination of those factors. The situation where a truck towing at its maximum rated trailer capacity will hit its GCVW limit before it runs out of payload is simply a fact of life, even in the full size and HD truck realm.

It's probably all academic at this point, because I decided to take the deal on the 2025, unless somebody else beat me to it. The discrepancies and misinformation about critical specs are still annoying, and to me at least are not in the same league as errors in the "build a jeep" website. That has always been just a starting point. Something to give to the dealer, who then uses that to order what you want. But things like towing and payload capacity need to be clear and consistent. If the owner's manual tells you the place to find the towing capacity is at a certain website, that website has got to be accurate. What happens If someone buys a 2026 Rubicon, and gets in an accident towing their 7,350lb camper? Their owner's manual makes no mention of a door sticker, it tells them to go to website, and that website told them they can safely tow 7.700 lbs. Why won't their insurance cover this? Why are they getting sued? Why did the police say they were negligent and at fault for being overweight?
I wholeheartedly agree that the discrepancies, misinformation, and downright difficulty of trying to find accurate and reliable information is annoying at best. I still think it's utter BS that Jeep has decided to go the route it has with its owner's manuals telling you to refer to a website that has proven to be unreliable to source critical information like tow ratings. Information like that most definitely needs to be clearly stated and easily found, preferably in a printed format that isn't subject to easy alteration or plain disappearance at some point in the future... here's a thought, how about putting it in the owner's manual and on the damn vehicle sticker as well. Why they are able to attach a sticker with the payload information specific to each individual vehicle yet fail to do the same with the tow rating or even the GCVW figure is absolutely beyond me.
 

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If I was in your shoes, I would contact the dealerships with the trucks you're interested in and ask them to provide the payload number listed on the door jamb sticker. Pretty safe to say they'd accommodate that request if it meant it might lead to a sale.
Except again, I was interested in a 2026 with the max tow package. Apparently there is not a single one for sale in the entire country that meets my minimum option requirements.
So I would be special ordering one.
I'm used to that. We generally keep vehicles longer than most. If you are going to drive the same vehicle for 9, 10, 15 years it should be exactly what you want IMNHO.
(My '21 JT is a bit of an outlier. We moved from a house that was 11 miles from my job, to one that was almost 200 miles away. Since I still had a few more years before I could retire, I put a ton of miles on it the first few years.)

So how else do you get payload info when there is no door jamb sticker? (Or door jamb, lol!)
I get it, the average person is an idiot and doesn't care about any of that stuff. If they can fit 2000lbs in the bed, they will. And then they will complain their JT was a pos because the frame broke "just going over a bump".

How does someone trying to do the right thing and make informed decisions do it? Without places like this, with lots of very knowledgeable people to help sort thru everything, where do you go? I like my current salesman (this will be the 4th Jeep I've bought from him), but in general I trust car salesmen even less than I trust the Jeep website or facebook groups.
 

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How does someone trying to do the right thing and make informed decisions do it? Without places like this, with lots of very knowledgeable people to help sort thru everything, where do you go? I like my current salesman (this will be the 4th Jeep I've bought from him), but in general I trust car salesmen even less than I trust the Jeep website or facebook groups.
Same way most of the general populace does anything.

"Oh that's a nice color and it has heated seats - lets get that one".

Then there are a handful of us nerds that actually dig through the details.

Though to be fair when I ordered my Max Tow I didn't really consider payload, and actual towing capacity was more than I needed. I was mostly concerned with getting the 4.10 gears in a Sport. Later I found out I also had nearly 500 pounds more payload than my buddies Rubicon of the same year 😄 Good thing too because I've had 800 pounds of pavers in the bed, stacked behind my toolbox full of tools, with a trailer hooked up as well.
 

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Same way most of the general populace does anything.

"Oh that's a nice color and it has heated seats - lets get that one".

Then there are a handful of us nerds that actually dig through the details.

Though to be fair when I ordered my Max Tow I didn't really consider payload, and actual towing capacity was more than I needed. I was mostly concerned with getting the 4.10 gears in a Sport. Later I found out I also had nearly 500 pounds more payload than my buddies Rubicon of the same year 😄 Good thing too because I've had 800 pounds of pavers in the bed, stacked behind my toolbox full of tools, with a trailer hooked up as well.
Speaking of buddies and their Jeeps... one of mine with a 2025 Rubicon X Wrangler and also a '52 M38A1 happens to live by my dealer, and drove by there today to look at the 2025 I am probably going to buy. He didn't know it is still at a sister dealership in VT, and I sent him the link to that since he works near there. He started looking at the 26 Gladiator Rubicons on that dealer's website, and noticed that even the dealer is claiming the 7,700lb max towing capacity on the 2026s, with the caveat that anything over 5k requires a weight distributing hitch. The only mention of a weight distributing hitch I noticed in an owners manual stated they are recommended (not required) for trailers over 2k. And here we are with yet another "official" source claiming 7700lbs max towing for 2026.

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Speaking of buddies and their Jeeps... one of mine with a 2025 Rubicon X Wrangler and also a '52 M38A1 happens to live by my dealer, and drove by there today to look at the 2025 I am probably going to buy. He didn't know it is still at a sister dealership in VT, and I sent him the link to that since he works near there. He started looking at the 26 Gladiator Rubicons on that dealer's website, and noticed that even the dealer is claiming the 7,700lb max towing capacity on the 2026s, with the caveat that anything over 5k requires a weight distributing hitch. The only mention of a weight distributing hitch I noticed in an owners manual stated they are recommended (not required) for trailers over 2k. And here we are with yet another "official" source claiming 7700lbs max towing for 2026.

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Anything approaching the max towing limit would be an awful experience anyway, so once we cross 6,000 pounds its all irrelevant to me.

7,700 is the max number for a Max Tow. If someone is advertising that for a Rubicon, they probably have their information mixed up. Nobody knows less about what they are selling than a car dealer.

Anyway, seems you guys have been circling the wagon on this for quite some time - I don't have much else to offer 😂
 

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I barely want to tow my 3800 lb camper lol, can't imagine doubling that, no matter what a number on a sticker says.
 

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Anything approaching the max towing limit would be an awful experience anyway, so once we cross 6,000 pounds its all irrelevant to me.
Agreed. Even 6k lbs is sketchy.

Gladiator folks seem to obsess about having a max tow and tow ratings. It's a damned Gladiator.


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I barely want to tow my 3800 lb camper lol, can't imagine doubling that, no matter what a number on a sticker says.
I pull a 20' ish tandem axle utility trailer I borrow sometimes.

Damn thing might as well weigh 6,000 pounds empty the way the stupid tailgate on it catches air behind me 😂 It probably weighs 2,500 pounds but man aero is no joke. Can't wait to borrow it again and put a 2,500 pound tractor on it.
 

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I pull a 20' ish tandem axle utility trailer I borrow sometimes.

Damn thing might as well weigh 6,000 pounds empty the way the stupid tailgate on it catches air behind me 😂 It probably weighs 2,500 pounds but man aero is no joke. Can't wait to borrow it again and put a 2,500 pound tractor on it.
I have bags and a WD hitch, so stability isn't a problem, camper has brakes, so that's solid too, it's just that utter lack of power, 65 mph, 6th gear tops, 3800 rpm up a hill, 240 degree oil temps that make it unhappy.

Tht and I can see eff all around it, and my wireless camera is pathetic.
 

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Agreed. Even 6k lbs is sketchy.

Gladiator folks seem to obsess about having a max tow and tow ratings. It's a damned Gladiator.


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I agree I would not want to tow at the absolute max. That goes with any vehicle though. I do however want as much buffer as possible. If I am towing 5,000lb, I would rather do it with a vehicle rated to tow 7,700 than a vehicle rated to to 5,500.

As someone who towed a trailer almost daily for 30yrs, I suspect a lot of people just don't know WTF they are doing. I see so many trailers going down the road that are either set up wrong, or loaded wrong/inappropriately. Often both.
I can FIT my almost 2000lb UTV on a 10ft single axle trailer. I own a 10ft single axle trailer.
I TOW my almost 2000lb UTV on a 16+2 double axle car hauler, because it is impossible to properly load, balance, and secure it on much less. 4000lbs tows like a dream. If it were not for the change in shift points, you could forget it's back there. I also know the 3.6L develops peak torque at something like 4,200 rpm, so those higher shift points don't upset me the way they seem to upset some others.
 

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I just don’t get the drab blue decals on it 🤦‍♂️

I really doubt back in WWII they were using blue paint on these? It was black or white, right?

otherwise, I like these a lot. Wish the Gladiators in the Willys packages would come with the rubicon/mojave tall fenders like they do on the Wranglers.
 

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I just don’t get the drab blue decals on it 🤦‍♂️

I really doubt back in WWII they were using blue paint on these? It was black or white, right?

otherwise, I like these a lot. Wish the Gladiators in the Willys packages would come with the rubicon/mojave tall fenders like they do on the Wranglers.
Yes they used the blue. Dirt Road Cred has the explanation on it in their '41 build 2 door wrangler.
 

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I just don’t get the drab blue decals on it 🤦‍♂️

I really doubt back in WWII they were using blue paint on these? It was black or white, right?

otherwise, I like these a lot. Wish the Gladiators in the Willys packages would come with the rubicon/mojave tall fenders like they do on the Wranglers.
I like the blue but i understand what your saying lol The tall fenders make sense with 33inch tires. Btw it appears they get a rubicon hood for this edition.
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