Bronco is fullsize - no comparison

[Sazabi19]

You are projecting your thoughts as my own. I am 51 years old and since 1982 when my dad bought his first CJ we have owned a Jeep. (If you remember the CJ had body mounted mirrors). Jeep has missed many opportunities to correct some design deficiencies like the mirrors and seat comfort. My kids hat the back seat of the Gladiator and absolutely refused to take a trip in the JK.
To me, it seems like a no brainer to have vented seats in a vehicle where you are often riding with the top off in the sun but, even though the technology exists) both Jeep and Ford missed the mark. The drivability issues with Jeep are NOT a product of the solid axle. Go test drive a Super Duty Ford or a Heavy Duty Dodge and see for yourself how they drive and you’ll agree.

While vented seats would be great I bet it would be lost on a lot of people. I see a ton of Jeeps around here that have seat covers, like myself, to help protect from the elements. Mine are water tight so the vents wouldn't help me

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[5JeepsAz]

Jeep Truck and Ford Bronco are returns to market after an absence. Both will be wildly succesful.

Thats the only compar-o until we have ford numbers vs projections.

1. Jeep Truck got to market first (establlshed market share)
2. Jeep Truck hit sales targets despite launch during an unprecedented market disruption. (Not going for a bigger share, just want to sell X units).
3. Jeep aimed at a target segment. Hit its goals. (kept market share)
4. Ford will have ? effect on Jeep Truck sales. (My bet, negligible).

If you like one, or both, that defines your place in the market demographic, not the truck or bronc.

Competition is supposed to drive down price. That happening?

 

[TennesseePA]

And you are projecting your opinions as facts. The mirrors are a design choice, I don't have an issue with them, you do. This is the equivalent of me saying Ford misses the mark because the wind shield doesn't fold down so they could have body mounted mirrors. The seats for me are way more comfortable than any of the 4 ford's I've had and my kids love them. Different body shapes different heights different kids.

Stock the jeep drivability sucks I agree they should come from the factory with an 8 or 10 degree off set front axle and 6 -7 degrees of caster. Luckily I fixed it by going to 6 degrees of caster and now it tracks and steers straight with no dead spot cost was a whopping 60 bucks for control arms.

You clearly love the bronco and not so much the Wrangler, that's really cool it's why we don't all drive the same thing.

Edit: oh and I 100% agree, they should mandate vented seats as standard on every vehicle.

I guess I’ll just give up on what I’m trying to say. I clearly stated that opinions are just that and you are entitled to think whatever you want. Your problem with me is you want me to agree with your opinion on the mirrors and I can promise you that I never will. Likewise I don’t expect you to ever agree with me. I’d almost bet my house that more Jeep owners would rather have body mount mirrors I’d given the option…if I’m not mistaken didn’t you go with a body mounted mirror for when your doors are off? I finally settled on the Lange as my best bad option on the Gladiator. But I’m still not happy with the performance with the soft doors so I’ll continue to search for better design.

as far as the drivability I went with the Rancho geometry correction brackets on the JK and the JT…they make highway driving much nicer.

And finally I am glad we found common ground on the vented seats.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

You could say the exact opposite, that the Bronco offers what many people feel Jeeps are lacking. Additional size and better road handling with the IFS. They didn't "fall short" or mess up anything with those decisions. They made them differentiators that pick up where some Jeep people feel their rigs fall short.

These aren't negatives. Just differences. Totally valid to compare the two.

Ford has been monitoring complaints about the Jeep - the MIRRORS - DUH.
They know why people are reluctant to go Jeep or are barely Jeep. Ford wasn't just listening, they were eavesdropping on the conversation between Jeep and Jeep owners or wannabe owners.

 

[bleda2002]

I guess I’ll just give up on what I’m trying to say. I clearly stated that opinions are just that and you are entitled to think whatever you want. Your problem with me is you want me to agree with your opinion on the mirrors and I can promise you that I never will. Likewise I don’t expect you to ever agree with me. I’d almost bet my house that more Jeep owners would rather have body mount mirrors I’d given the option…if I’m not mistaken didn’t you go with a body mounted mirror for when your doors are off? I finally settled on the Lange as my best bad option on the Gladiator. But I’m still not happy with the performance with the soft doors so I’ll continue to search for better design.

as far as the drivability I went with the Rancho geometry correction brackets on the JK and the JT…they make highway driving much nicer.

And finally I am glad we found common ground on the vented seats.

I'm fairly sure we're both talking about two different things. I'm saying that bronco vs jeep is like mustang vs camaro and they'll end up appealing to similar people but are designed so disparately that for most shoppers one will be quickly eliminated based on looks alone. Then on ifs vs sfa, and lastly on design choices like 3 vs 4 panels, mirror position etc.

I also wouldn't be opposed to body mounted mirrors (I don't really care as long as it looks good) but the way ford did theirs imo is hideous. If jeep could put them more like the aftermarket body mounted that would be cool, just not something hideous like the plastic mustache. They start above the hood and stick way out.

 

[sharpsicle]

Problem with these is you can't open the door with them on. They only work door-less. Hence the reason the Bronco ones are the way they are. It's the price you pay to mount them on the body.

 

[bleda2002]

Problem with these is you can't open the door with them on. They only work door-less. Hence the reason the Bronco ones are the way they are. It's the price you pay to mount them on the body.

That mount could be moved 2 inches back and it's on the body. Plenty of mirrors mount to that spot I'm talking about no need for the mustache.

 

[sharpsicle]

That mount could be moved 2 inches back and it's on the body. Plenty of mirrors mount to that spot I'm talking about no need for the mustache.

True. But for manufacturers, the further forward they go the further out they need to go too. Hence, again, the Bronco mirrors. Aftermarket always has more freedom in this regard than the OEM.

 

[bleda2002]

True. But for manufacturers, the further forward they go the further out they need to go too. Hence, again, the Bronco mirrors. Aftermarket always has more freedom in this regard than the OEM.

Move the mount but then use the arm to put it back to about where it's at. Body mounted but not sticking way out. Now let's just get jeep to pay us for it.

Ford's stick way out because they don't use an arm to move them back they're just big mirrors on straight stalks.

 

[wchevron]

Just saw my first 4 door Bronco on the road. Drove by quickly in the other direction. Just with the quick look it does look big overall. I think part may be forward of the windshield it pretty much a rectanglar whereas the Jeep hood tapers in and you have the lower fenders. Gives the front a narrower look.

 

[TennesseePA]

The Bronco looks so much bigger than the Wrangler because the Wrangler passenger compartment sits inside the fenders whereas the Bronco sits above it. I went to the Bronco super show in East TN in April and it is much more roomy inside that the Wrangler but the overall dimensions aren't that different.

EXTERIORDIMENSIONS

	2021 Ford Bronco	2020 Jeep Wrangler
Length	190.5 in	188.4 in
Wheelbase	116.1 in	118.4 in
Width	76.3 in	73.8 in
Front / rear track	65 / 65 in	62.9 / 62.9 in
Height	73.9 in	74.0 in
Towing capacity	3,500 pounds	3,500 pounds
Payload capacity	1,370 pounds	1,351 pounds

 

[TennesseePA]

While vented seats would be great I bet it would be lost on a lot of people. I see a ton of Jeeps around here that have seat covers, like myself, to help protect from the elements. Mine are water tight so the vents wouldn't help me

I was one of those guys for a while with my Bartact seat covers but I took them off in favor of the factory leather. The leather is just a much nicer seating surface.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

True. But for manufacturers, the further forward they go the further out they need to go too. Hence, again, the Bronco mirrors. Aftermarket always has more freedom in this regard than the OEM.

And that was one of the points in the article about the fussing the engineers had to go through to mount the mirrors up there. They had to stick out farther and be bigger than closer mirrors.

 

[Rares]

The Wrangler starts at about the same price, but charging extra for power windows, power locks, 8 inch screen and air conditioning is crazy in 2021. The ride quality on normal roads is night and day. Most people use these cars as daily driver. I love my Gladiator, but if I was buying an suv, the Bronco is just a better purchase.

 

[sharpsicle]

The Wrangler starts at about the same price, but charging extra for power windows, power locks, 8 inch screen and air conditioning is crazy in 2021. The ride quality on normal roads is night and day. Most people use these cars as daily driver. I love my Gladiator, but if I was buying an suv, the Bronco is just a better purchase.

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