over 1000 mi on my 3 week old gladiator: pros and cons

[AZCooWhip]

Yes.... I did chuckle at difficult to keep clean.

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[Gvsukids]

To the MPG.. the Rubicon has 2 axle options .. 4.10 and 3.73.. My Mojave comes with 4.10s and guess what .. If lucky I get 17 on cruise at 70mph on hwy.. around town 15 provided I don't light them up from stops. Have friend with a JT and 3.45s and "babying it" gets 22 on the hwy. BTW.. my 13 JKU with 4.10s is about the same and it's a 6 spd.

The diesel has 3.73.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’ll try playing with the pedal. I wouldn’t say I feather it but I’m pretty soft and definitely not stomping.

You have to reach a minimum speed no matter how far you travel or ESS won't kick in on the next stop.

To the MPG.. the Rubicon has 2 axle options .. 4.10 and 3.73..

The Rubicon has only one ratio - 4.10 - for gas engines.
The diesel has the other - so it's not an option and doesn't apply here.

Speed limit on interstate around here is 65. I rarely exceed it. And hwy is usually around 45-55 mph.
I get it’s a brick. That’s why I don’t expect 20+. But 16? Lots of people report well over that here.

Don't expect any better mpg at only 1,000 miles. Gee, it's not loosened up at all and has not yet learned as far as the PCM.

 

[MyRight]

After 3 month's ownership, the only complaint I have is not having enough money to get everything I want for it at once.
But, like life....it's not the destination, it's the journey getting there. Having to wait on different upgrades means I'm always looking forward to something new, all while enjoying what I have at the time.

 

[UnforseenWeather]

After 3 month's ownership, the only complaint I have is not having enough money to get everything I want for it at once.
But, like life....it's not the destination, it's the journey getting there. Having to wait on different upgrades means I'm always looking forward to something new, all while enjoying what I have at the time.

Exactly my feelings - of course I want it all now but I’m enjoying getting this thing squared away just how I want it with smaller things, like interior storage, and being patient for the bigger things.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

 

[SargeDiesel]

Does the Jeep not have a button to disable the auto shutoff every time you get in?

I think he actually wanted the system to shut off, he is complaining it did not shut off enough.

 

[NachoRuby]

Nonsense. My expectation is that if I’m going to sit for a minute the engine can shut off. If it can’t figure that out it needs to improve.


Speed limit on interstate around here is 65. I rarely exceed it. And hwy is usually around 45-55 mph.
I get it’s a brick. That’s why I don’t expect 20+. But 16? Lots of people report well over that here

That's simply not how the ess works. That would kill your battery in a hot minute. It does not work that way on any car with ess I've ever driven. It would be highly annoying, and hell on your charging system. It needs time to charge. As far as mpg goes, It'll improve, a little. But, you bought a jeep. 17 City 22 highway auto, or 16 City, 23 highway manual. And that's under EPA conditions of about 55 mph highway, no wind, no hills. The only way I've ever hit 23 mpg highway is completely flat land, and no manipulation of the go pedal whatsoever. They just don't have the aerodynamics to allow for any wiggle room there. I get 17.5-18, combined at this point, after break in. In the summer, I was getting about .5 mpg more. But I'm manual, so your mileage may vary.

 

[Trickster]

I think he actually wanted the system to shut off, he is complaining it did not shut off enough.

First thing I do after starting is to turn that damn ESS feature off.
Last thing I want is that stalling feature when I stop.
Kind of a pita that it has to be deactivated on every start up.

 

[Trailman]

No one seems to be commenting on the other half of OP's ESS complaint, which drives me nuts as well. Namely, it is very common that ESS shuts the engine off as I pull to a stop in a parking spot. Then it restarts the engine when I put it in park. Then I turn it off since I have arrived at my destination.

Really wish it did not immediately restart the engine when put in park. Five second delay would take care of 99% of my break, engine-off, park, engine-on, turn-off experiences.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I think he actually wanted the system to shut off, he is complaining it did not shut off enough.

Yes and there's a good reason it didn't shut off.
It's designed that way, and as far as vehicles I've been in, that's just how they are because otherwise you'd drain the battery and worse. Stop and go traffic and waiting in slow moving lines isn't what it was designed for.
The owner manual states you must reach a certain minimum mph before it will once again function.

As far as stopping then restarting when put in park - that's also the way they are. Everyone's an engineer except real SAE engineers according to the internet - just ask anyone - they all know better and can't figure out the why of things (mostly because they hate it so don't want to understand it, simply continue to hate and complain about it and how they'd do better)

What's expected anyway - when you pull up in your driveway and hit the brakes and stop - it's supposed to know you are home and not stop?
It's not supposed to restart when you put it in park?

Isn't that how other ESS vehicle systems work?

 

[Trailman]

It's not supposed to restart when you put it in park?

Isn't that how other ESS vehicle systems work?

From my perspective - no, it is not supposed to restart when you put it in park. Why would it? Why do I need it running in park? And whatever answer you may have for that, can it not wait 2-5 seconds on a delay? Instead we have shut-off, restart, shut-off for no purpose in the span of 2 seconds.

 

[MyRight]

No one seems to be commenting on the other half of OP's ESS complaint, which drives me nuts as well. Namely, it is very common that ESS shuts the engine off as I pull to a stop in a parking spot. Then it restarts the engine when I put it in park. Then I turn it off since I have arrived at my destination.

Really wish it did not immediately restart the engine when put in park. Five second delay would take care of 99% of my break, engine-off, park, engine-on, turn-off experiences.

I have never had this experience. It has never shut off on me when I have parked.
Now that I think about it, I had a 2020 Compass with ESS and it never shut off on me when I parked it as well. It only ever shut off while coming to stops in traffic.

Maybe it's the way I drive/control the brake...as I had mentioned in some other thread, I have come to notice that when coming to a stop, I am able to stop the vehicle without having the ESS shut the engine down. It seems it is controlled by a set amount of pressure applied to the brake.
You can depress the brake peddle enough to come to a stop, but not enough to where the engine will stop. While stopped, I can continue to apply more pressure to the pedal and the engine will stop.

Anyone else notice this? I guess I may just have conditioned myself to know where that pressure point is and rarely go beyond it, as I really have no complaints how the ESS functions.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

First thing I do after starting is to turn that damn ESS feature off.
Last thing I want is that stalling feature when I stop.
Kind of a pita that it has to be deactivated on every start up.

No one seems to be commenting on the other half of OP's ESS complaint, which drives me nuts as well. Namely, it is very common that ESS shuts the engine off as I pull to a stop in a parking spot. Then it restarts the engine when I put it in park. Then I turn it off since I have arrived at my destination.

Really wish it did not immediately restart the engine when put in park. Five second delay would take care of 99% of my break, engine-off, park, engine-on, turn-off experiences.

Problem solved and, in my opinion, it’s worth the money.

https://www.smartstopstart.com/

 

[DankjeeP]

Nonsense. My expectation is that if I’m going to sit for a minute the engine can shut off. If it can’t figure that out it needs to improve.

So logic is nonsense? It is not an electric car.

I smell another "last Jeep I'll ever own" thread

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