Mojave Shock Rebuild timeframe from Fox = maximum of 50,000 miles

[seven30]

Maybe use a thicker lube like Sil-Glide? That you are not using the truck hard is probably the issue. If you got some heat into the shock and there was a microscopic leak that lubed the shafts they wouldn't be sticky/squeaking?

I've had my rear 2.5's squeak before, but now after 22K miles and working them probably harder than 99% of the members here, it never happens.I have also been into my shocks about 14 times over the past 5 months, to they are getting regularly cleaned too.

In my opinion, this is why the manufacturers shouldn't really be offering these packages to people who don't use them and understand there is different maintenance with high performance components. Mall crawler buy Rubicons and Mojaves for a fashion statement then bitch about the poor fuel economy, ride quality, or maintenance interval?

I suggest to my "Poser" clients to buy the cheaper base model, then add stickers, spring spacers, and take off wheels to create the persona of the desired package if that's all the want....... To me it's stupid, but people want to flaunt gold chains, LV purses, and high trim vehicles while racking up huge debt and eating Top Ramen to afford the payments on equipment they will never benefit from? Not me........I buy what suits the intended use.

So whats involved with disassembly refresh of fluid and seal and where do you find info on this particular shocks like fluid amount and pressure.

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[CrazyCooter]

So whats involved with disassembly refresh of fluid and seal and where do you find info on this particular shocks like fluid amount and pressure.

There is no info or manuals because Fox doesn't share it or claims to not have it. I've been learning on my own with the help of Glamisfan. Insane if you ask me, but all the tuners are keeping the info close so we NEED them.

My project today was more tuning in the pursuit of perfection.....

 

[seven30]

There is no info or manuals because Fox doesn't share it or claims to not have it. I've been learning on my own with the help of Glamisfan. Insane if you ask me, but all the tuners are keeping the info close so we NEED them.

My project today was more tuning in the pursuit of perfection.....

Man that looks kind of fun.
That picture Reminds me of MX shocks I used to fiddle with years ago. Same thing there too. No one shared "secrets". Not that Ill ever mess with it but is the bypass adjustable to any degree?

BTW I agree a maxtow gets 90% of what most drivers ever need. I got this Mojave because I wanted a MT with 4.10 axles then discovered after the fact what a fantastic little machine it is.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Man that looks kind of fun.
That picture Reminds me of MX shocks I used to fiddle with years ago. Same thing there too. No one shared "secrets". Not that Ill ever mess with it but is the bypass adjustable to any degree?

BTW I agree a maxtow gets 90% of what most drivers ever need. I got this Mojave because I wanted a MT with 4.10 axles then discovered after the fact what a fantastic little machine it is.

This has turned into an obsession now that I understand how it works! I am pretty much over the r&r of these things, but I'm closing in.

I know almost nothing about the OE internal bypasses, I'm sure you could tune them just like anything else with the right parts and a lot of time.

The manufacturers are doing a pretty good job with giving the enthusiast a good platform to use as is or the guy like me something to build off of. I keep thinking what trucks were like 30 years ago vs now!

 

[Dougstdig]

There is no info or manuals because Fox doesn't share it or claims to not have it. I've been learning on my own with the help of Glamisfan. Insane if you ask me, but all the tuners are keeping the info close so we NEED them.

My project today was more tuning in the pursuit of perfection.....

Not sure why you think it’s insane. It’s proprietary information. The specific parts, special compounds of the O-rings and the oil. Why should they give up their secrets? They spent good $$$ on the R&D and have a service side of the business.

Shock Therapy has made a very lucrative business working the SXS market. They have tons of YT vids showing what they do. Here’s one.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Not sure why you think it’s insane. It’s proprietary information. The specific parts, special compounds of the O-rings and the oil. Why should they give up their secrets? They spent good $$$ on the R&D and have a service side of the business.

Shock Therapy has made a very lucrative business working the SXS market. They have tons of YT vids showing what they do. Here’s one.

I absolutely do not think anyone should be handing over trade secrets especially when they were the ones to invest the time and $$. I do however feel that Fox should have a catalog of service parts, exploded views, and specs for their aftermarket parts. You wouldn't believe the whoops of fire I've had to jump through to get service parts for my 2.5's and air bumps!

If you read my posts above, you may have caught that I'm self employed and in the automotive industry (Greedy capitalist). I don't give away my secrets of tools/methods either. I will help people sometimes, but never just tell someone how to do it.

I have watched Shock Therapy videos for at least the past year. Leaned a lot from them. I no longer own a SXS, but may use them for other things now that they are getting into the truck thing too.

 

[Dougstdig]

I absolutely do not think anyone should be handing over trade secrets especially when they were the ones to invest the time and $$. I do however feel that Fox should have a catalog of service parts, exploded views, and specs for their aftermarket parts. You wouldn't believe the whoops of fire I've had to jump through to get service parts for my 2.5's and air bumps!

If you read my posts above, you may have caught that I'm self employed and in the automotive industry (Greedy capitalist). I don't give away my secrets of tools/methods either. I will help people sometimes, but never just tell someone how to do it.

I have watched Shock Therapy videos for at least the past year. Leaned a lot from them. I no longer own a SXS, but may use them for other things now that they are getting into the truck thing too.

Its been a while since I’ve watched their vids. Wasn’t healthy. I marathon watched them. Absolutely didn’t know they were getting into the truck market. Targeted to the off-road race or Jeep/crawler crowd?

 

[CrazyCooter]

Its been a while since I’ve watched their vids. Wasn’t healthy. I marathon watched them. Absolutely didn’t know they were getting into the truck market. Targeted to the off-road race or Jeep/crawler crowd?

They said in one of their more recent videos that they were "Partnering with Fox", opening another location where they could hit people inside of 2 days shipping times, and they were going to be doing trucks with OEM performance shocks for now.

When I talked to a CS rep at Fox about any cool new product coming from that partnership that I should be waiting for......he told me nothing secret about it.....Fox had acquired Shock Therapy.

Regardless of what Justin has or has not done in the past, that business has been grown and marketed in a way I see as genius! Looking at the way everything in that shop, equipment and vehicle bears the Shock Therapy "brand". I'm taking a page out of that book a little later than I should have now that people are using my business name in vehicle ads when they are up for sale........That tells me people feel my brand adds value to their build.

I doubt we will ever own a helicopter or throw parties with unlimited hookers and blow.......But making a decent living!

 

[seven30]

Sure. I was just interested in basic shock service information and stock parts. Not looking to gain from someones hard won tuning and improvement secrets. I change my own oil too

I figure the stock Mojave shocks are ok when new for messing around in a non-competitive environment and just want to keep them working as designed.

OTOH, if I tried a set of expertly tuned and matched shocks I'd probably kick myself for not doing it sooner.

 

[CrazyCooter]

Sure. I was just interested in basic shock service information and stock parts. Not looking to gain from someones hard won tuning and improvement secrets. I change my own oil too

I figure the stock Mojave shocks are ok when new for messing around in a non-competitive environment and just want to keep them working as designed.

OTOH, if I tried a set of expertly tuned and matched shocks I'd probably kick myself for not doing it sooner.

A call to Fox sales and you "Should" be able to get a list of parts within a couple of days. Good chance they wont have every part you need in stock as that's been my problem and they wont let you back order anything........The whole process has been very frustrating.


"Expertly tuned" is pretty subjective. The mall crawler wants something different from the guy desert running and the rock crawler wont like what the towing guy needs! I also cant see how a tuner could really get you "Expertly Tuned" over the phone without a full checklist questionare, corner weights and selling you both springs and shocks. Shock Therapy seems to have a pretty good handle on these needs for the SXS crowd....Maybe they will be able to do the same on the trucks? Imagine being in my shoes $5-6K deep into high end shocks/bumps but its garbage out of the box?

Meeting Fox or Acutune out in your terrain of choice and doing an on site revalve would be pretty cool.........If I lived close to them, I probably would have stepped up to the pay window and gave them a try. Instead I'm teaching myself to do this and will probably be providing this service to my clients who are more picky at some time. I already have a shock dyno picked out.......

I can tell you just going from Evo to Clayton front springs required a complete revalve of my front shocks. OE Rubi springs to 2.5 Clayton's was pretty strait forward till I wanted a little more precise handling in varying conditions.

 

[seven30]

A call to Fox sales and you "Should" be able to get a list of parts within a couple of days. Good chance they wont have every part you need in stock as that's been my problem and they wont let you back order anything........The whole process has been very frustrating.


"Expertly tuned" is pretty subjective. The mall crawler wants something different from the guy desert running and the rock crawler wont like what the towing guy needs! I also cant see how a tuner could really get you "Expertly Tuned" over the phone without a full checklist questionare, corner weights and selling you both springs and shocks. Shock Therapy seems to have a pretty good handle on these needs for the SXS crowd....Maybe they will be able to do the same on the trucks? Imagine being in my shoes $5-6K deep into high end shocks/bumps but its garbage out of the box?

Meeting Fox or Acutune out in your terrain of choice and doing an on site revalve would be pretty cool.........If I lived close to them, I probably would have stepped up to the pay window and gave them a try. Instead I'm teaching myself to do this and will probably be providing this service to my clients who are more picky at some time. I already have a shock dyno picked out.......

I can tell you just going from Evo to Clayton front springs required a complete revalve of my front shocks. OE Rubi springs to 2.5 Clayton's was pretty strait forward till I wanted a little more precise handling in varying conditions.

Good to know about FOX parts potentially.

Plus 2 on the dyno! Crucial instrument for this stuff.

Id love to see a report on the stock Mojave shocks. Especially after some abuse.

 

[obrianmcc]

I recently received some Fox product and it clearly states in the manual ... 50,000 miles Hwy / 10,000 miles Off-road. IMO anyone who spends any time off road can attest that there are too many factors that can effect shock life (or specifically the seals). While 10,000 miles is only approx 1 yr for most ... I personally wouldn't look to service at 10k unless there was an issue. The idea that shock oil (even with today's synthetics) and seals don't degrade is ludicrous given the heat cycles and contaminates these are subject to ... everyone will need to establish a service cycle that is appropriate to their use conditions. For some this might be a year ... for others this might be 3 or 4.

I currently have some stock Rubi shocks that are starting to weep with 30k miles. These have been exposed to lots of dust, winter snow and a few instances of mud (not mudding as I hate mud). I don't expect any warranty on these being under the 3 yr/36000 as they have clearly spent time off-road.

 

[CrazyCooter]

I recently received some Fox product and it clearly states in the manual ... 50,000 miles Hwy / 10,000 miles Off-road. IMO anyone who spends any time off road can attest that there are too many factors that can effect shock life (or specifically the seals). While 10,000 miles is only approx 1 yr for most ... I personally wouldn't look to service at 10k unless there was an issue. The idea that shock oil (even with today's synthetics) and seals don't degrade is ludicrous given the heat cycles and contaminates these are subject to ... everyone will need to establish a service cycle that is appropriate to their use conditions. For some this might be a year ... for others this might be 3 or 4.

I currently have some stock Rubi shocks that are starting to weep with 30k miles. These have been exposed to lots of dust, winter snow and a few instances of mud (not mudding as I hate mud). I don't expect any warranty on these being under the 3 yr/36000 as they have clearly spent time off-road.

Your expectations are reasonable!

I do feel the 10k interval for 50/50 use is insane unless you pound your truck for 5,000 of those miles. I'm at 21K miles on these 2.5's and I'd estimate no less than 6000 miles off road mostly desert. The fluid is starting to get darker....More toward purple than the red is was new. I'm thinking I'll be changing the oil and piston wear bands by year end.

I would think the OE IBP's would be OK till they leak for most users and for the all purpose guys that also play in the desert like me at least 25K. I'm sure heat/duty cycle plays a lot into oil life. I have never had mine so hot that I couldn't touch the body or hose fittings. The Fox red oil is rated for 400°.

 

[yoda13]

Your expectations are reasonable!

I do feel the 10k interval for 50/50 use is insane unless you pound your truck for 5,000 of those miles. I'm at 21K miles on these 2.5's and I'd estimate no less than 6000 miles off road mostly desert. The fluid is starting to get darker....More toward purple than the red is was new. I'm thinking I'll be changing the oil and piston wear bands by year end.

I would think the OE IBP's would be OK till they leak for most users and for the all purpose guys that also play in the desert like me at least 25K. I'm sure heat/duty cycle plays a lot into oil life. I have never had mine so hot that I couldn't touch the body or hose fittings. The Fox red oil is rated for 400°.

Good information from an expert. Thank you

 

[CrazyCooter]

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Good information from an expert. Thank you

Far from an expert, but more experienced than most in this area no doubt!

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