Oasis Supernova
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Saw that. Its interesting, but I already have a tonneau cover. At least they're thinking. Lol
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Saw that. Its interesting, but I already have a tonneau cover. At least they're thinking. Lol
Agreed. It just looks a little funky with he top off and those tiny roll bars exposed. LolIt would be nice to be able to remove the rear roof piece (i.e. Third panel) and leave the rear window panel in place, but I don’t lose any sleep over that.
Agreed.NGL, I want them to make the 4 piece roof panels that the Hummer EV has
Agreed. It just looks a little funky with he top off and those tiny roll bars exposed. Lol
It's 60#, it's not that fragile and I can carry it soloHard tops are the worst, nobody really wants to hang a fragile fiberglass boat from their ceiling. it’s too heavy, its unbalanced,
Tool. One tool. That comes with the jeep. If we shouldn't need tools, what do you propose instead?and we shouldn’t need tools to remove it.
Legitimate complaintThe cheap, minimal hardtop soundproofing is for some reason an option.
Is the top too heavy or not? Because a manually operated rear window is lighter than a powered window. Can't have it both waysThe rear sliding window is still manually operated.
take the top off, problem solved. Or use the 3/4 position for the tailgate. You're again wanting to add more complexity to a system while already complaining it's too heavy. Complexity adds weight.The rear window as a whole can’t be folded or removed for carrying extra long items.
Are they not? What's this bag my gladiator came with? Is it a manpurse?At the VERY least, Freedom Panels should have been designed for safe, padded on-board storage.
Can you show me any other automotive convertible top from the last 20 years designed to be fully removed at will? How about we look at the last (and only other) soft-top convertible truck ever sold, also a Chrysler product, the Dakota Sport? Sure, the top folded all the way down, but you also sacrificed bed space to make that happen. Is that a compromise some people would gladly accept? Yep, but it is a compromise, meaning there is no clearly defined correct answer, just one preference over another.The basic man-bun design of the soft-tops is ridiculous when compared to any automotive convertible top from the last 20+ years.
again you're in a debate against yourself. You want everything to be lighter, removable, and powered. Look at the massive aftermarket for Jeep parts. If such a thing was designable within a reasonable cost where it would be expected to sell, it would have been already.Even a fully folded soft top is still manual and based on some floppy 19th century baby carriage design.
I could care less about a retro experience. I didn't buy a CJ7, i bought a 2022 vehicle. But that vehicle also happens to offer a completely unique list of filled niches that no other current vehicle offers. There are only 3 convertible trucks in automotive history. The Dakota Sport, the SSR, and the Gladiator. The gladiator is the only 4 door convertible truck ever. There are only 4 convertible SUVs, and the murano and range rover evoque both sacrifice a TON of cargo space and a set of doors to tuck the roof away. Meanwhile the G650 Landaulet is half convertible at best, and its multi-million dollar price tag still doesn't offer an option better than a wrangler.I understand that some Jeep people hanker for the throwback rugged retro experience in these things. Personally, I urge someone to sell a canvas tarp and rope kit for those, and give the rest of us some reasonably up-to-date options.
Yeah, that's what Shaq carries around........Are they not? What's this bag my gladiator came with? Is it a manpurse?
I could care less about a retro experience. I didn't buy a CJ7, i bought a 2022 vehicle. But that vehicle also happens to offer a completely unique list of filled niches that no other current vehicle offers. There are only 3 convertible trucks in automotive history. The Dakota Sport, the SSR, and the Gladiator. The gladiator is the only 4 door convertible truck ever. There are only 4 convertible SUVs, and the murano and range rover evoque both sacrifice a TON of cargo space and a set of doors to tuck the roof away. Meanwhile the G650 Landaulet is half convertible at best, and its multi-million dollar price tag still doesn't offer an option better than a wrangler.
I didn't realize the hummer ev was a convertibleAgreed.
Sorry, but if it's that much of a hassle to unscrew a handful of bolts in 5 minutes....... well...........The minor wrenching required to pull the hardtop may be no big deal for you or me, but it’s quite distasteful for my wife - and I would assume others. I’m sure FCA has some clasping mechanisms in the parts bin somewhere to replace those pesky bolts.
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yeah, It all works, but it is the very definition of primitive.
What do you mean we shouldn’t need tools to remove the hardtop? How should the roof be held on? Velcro?With all due respect to MOPAR, BestTop, others, and a special nod to best-of-breed SunRider, the entire engineering and technology of Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator tops is incredibly primitive and frustrating.
Hard tops are the worst, nobody really wants to hang a fragile fiberglass boat from their ceiling. it’s too heavy, its unbalanced, and we shouldn’t need tools to remove it. The cheap, minimal hardtop soundproofing is for some reason an option. The rear sliding window is still manually operated. The rear window as a whole can’t be folded or removed for carrying extra long items. At the VERY least, Freedom Panels should have been designed for safe, padded on-board storage.
The basic man-bun design of the soft-tops is ridiculous when compared to any automotive convertible top from the last 20+ years. Even a fully folded soft top is still manual and based on some floppy 19th century baby carriage design.
I understand that some Jeep people hanker for the throwback rugged retro experience in these things. Personally, I urge someone to sell a canvas tarp and rope kit for those, and give the rest of us some reasonably up-to-date options.
The freedom panels are designed for safe, padded, on board storage...in a Wrangler. A lot of what you said negates the fact that the Gladiator isn't really an independent model. It's mostly a wrangler, for better or worse. That means adaptations were made, and costs cut, which is good for us. No wrangler base = no gladiator.With all due respect to MOPAR, BestTop, others, and a special nod to best-of-breed SunRider, the entire engineering and technology of Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator tops is incredibly primitive and frustrating.
Hard tops are the worst, nobody really wants to hang a fragile fiberglass boat from their ceiling. it’s too heavy, its unbalanced, and we shouldn’t need tools to remove it. The cheap, minimal hardtop soundproofing is for some reason an option. The rear sliding window is still manually operated. The rear window as a whole can’t be folded or removed for carrying extra long items. At the VERY least, Freedom Panels should have been designed for safe, padded on-board storage.
The basic man-bun design of the soft-tops is ridiculous when compared to any automotive convertible top from the last 20+ years. Even a fully folded soft top is still manual and based on some floppy 19th century baby carriage design.
I understand that some Jeep people hanker for the throwback rugged retro experience in these things. Personally, I urge someone to sell a canvas tarp and rope kit for those, and give the rest of us some reasonably up-to-date options.
Are you referring to something like a wing bolt? I've got a jar of them - all English, though, none metric.Also, you can get quick relese knobs for the top, to eliminate tools. My wife has them on her wrangler.