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A halo car doesn't have to be a super car only, this is a common misconception. I would argue the Corvette is a halo car for Chevy (all trims, but of course the ZR-1), the Hellcats or the TRX for Dodge, even the Raptor for Ford. By definition, a halo car is supposed to project a positive light...

That doesn't drive me any less nuts. However, I've completely derailed this thread. Sorry folks. I don't get to have these debates working at home like I used to in the office.

This is pretty close to the definition of a "halo car". Limited number sold by design and a higher profit per vehicle by higher sales price. This drives exclusivity and it was designed and sold for the pure purpose of marketing. Don't get me wrong. I love mine.

This was really my point. If it's just as simple that the HA is built upon the Overland trim than why is this same nomenclature not also used on those other trims built upon the Sport? Just seems odd that owners and dealerships would do that. I appreciate the build sheet and the window sticker...

It's perspective and a number game. I would argue under 80k (77k)units a year is basically a niche market. I understand all car sales were down over 2020 overall, but to put that in comparison the F150 sold 10x that in 2020 almost 800k units. Ram sold almost 600k units and Silverado/Sierra sold...

This is one of those absolutely no brainer moves by Jeep. The Wrangler is the epitome of Jeep and their cash cow. When you say Jeep, it's literally what everyone envisions. As others said the Gladiator is a niche market for Jeep and up until the car crisis, was the one of the worst moving...

Weird, it doesn't seem to be how they are advertised here though. I just bought my JTO in June, before that I spent a while searching the inventory at all the local Jeep dealerships (we have a lot of them in the Austin, TX area) and never came across them being referred to as an Overland until I...

I get your point, but I'm still not seeing why this seems to be a thing with HA owners to say they have a "High Altitude Overland". Yes I see they took an Overland trim and added the HA trim to it or "Customer Preferred Package 24N" per the window sticker, but the same is true with all of these...

I've seen some things online saying the High Altitude trim is built off of the Overland so maybe that is where people are getting it from. But that same logic would then say the Overland is built off of the Sport S and of course the Sport S is built off of the Sport. With that logic, all trims...

This is the second post I've seen in a few days with folks calling their High Altitude an Overland. I've also seen a few posts online where they're being called "High Altitude Overlands", but why? It's a completely different trim package.

I think you may be over thinking it a bit. It seems Jeep's default tire size in the system is 32.74" which is interesting if you consider the stock tires on the Overland is 255/70R18 or 32.1". The Rubicon and Mojave on the other hand come stock with 285/70R17 or 32.7". It looks like Jeep just...

The stock wheels are 7.5" not 8". You're right about the bead holding better on a narrower rim though. My mistake, I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that.

I personally wouldn't want a 12.5" tire on the factory wheel. It's going to look pinched and may not wear evenly or come off the bead when aired down. I think around 11.5" would be about as wide as I would personally want to go if you're going to do any off-roading. No need for wheel spacers...

I used Jscan for my calibration and their instructions say to measure the tire height while under load and then use the closest 1/4" size under that measurement. I ended up trying the unloaded exact tire size of 33.2" (so I used 33.25) and it came out perfect per the Waze app GPS. So it seems...

The ATPs are a Discount Tire exclusive, basically the XLTs with a different cosmetic sidewall. The tread is almost identical. I did quite a bit of research before buying and the Cooper reviews almost all said how quiet they were for an AT, so I took the chance and I am not disappointed. Overall...

I just did the Cooper Discoverer ATP 275/70/18 on my JTO and love them. Very quiet, good grip, and I like the sidewall better than the AT3. Speedo was off about 3 MPH at 70, but I corrected that with JScan and now it's on the money using the 33.25" size in the app.

Hell yeah! I finally made it to the cool guy crew! I wasn't sure if I was worthy or old enough yet, but I've been working on my dad jokes. I even get mad when my own kids play on my lawn.

I agree with all of this. This is basically my thoughts exactly. I had a '89 YJ that only had bikini top as my first car. So rain or cold weather was fun until I finally saved up enough to buy a full soft top. Then a '01 TJ and then a '06. All were manuals, but they all surprisingly had AC...

Longtime Jeep guy and multiple Jeeps over the years, my fist car was a YJ, so I've always waved. It's just a habit that's hard to break when I'm driving something else. In order of wave vs wave back: -CJs or any Jeep over 40 years old will always get a wave and will almost always wave back...

Back when I had my TJ, I used to use a hitch mounted cargo carrier for all kinds of stuff as there wasn't much room in the back for gear. The problem is loaded up it would block my taillights and license plate. So I bought some cheap trailer lights, drilled a couple holes and mounted them to the...