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This is why i spent time going through bolt tolerances.

Poly is good if it is the correct durometer and it does not have that initial play.

This is what im using:

https://steersmarts.com/products/yeti-xd-jl-jt-pro-series-adjustable-front-track-bar

https://steersmarts.com/products/yeti-xd-9-16th-track-bar-bolt-upgrade-kit

"YETI XD™ 9/16TH TRACK BAR BOLT UPGRADE KIT CONTAINS GRADE 8 MAGNICOATED HARDWARE TO REPLACE YOUR FACTORY JK, JL, OR JT TRACK BAR BOLTS. THE STANDARD/OEM BOLT IS AN M14 BOLT THAT IS SLIGHTLY UNDERSIZED FOR THE BUSHING/MOUNTING HOLES ON THE VEHICLE. THIS BOLT KIT WILL FIT SNUGLY INSIDE BOTH THE BUSHING AND THE MOUNTING HOLES AND CAN HELP ELIMINATE EXCESS MOVEMENT IF TORQUE FALLS OFF. "
What’s funny too is that the steer smarts yeti Xd sector shaft brace also came with a brand new 9/16” shouldered bolt. But didn’t change a thing, only showed the presence of the worn out bushing along with the 25 degree temp.
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Throw a pair of Mopar long LCA's on it if you have some. See what a pinch more caster does for it.
Dont have any laying around, also Chrysler would never approve that as a fix as why would it need it but another vehicle dosent
 

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All this time I thought the death wobble was self induced by folks making changes to their stock Jeeps...

I was not aware that this was present in some Jeeps directly from the factory. Or, even worse, that it was just a matter of time for it to manifest even in those vehicles that did not suffered from it from the start.

I only have less than 3,000 miles on my 2022 Jeep Gladiator Mojave. Nothing so far. I can even be driving at any speed from 55-80 and this thing tracks nicely.

I look at the components and they all look so frigging beefy...

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Learned something today...
I will say, I have NEVER personally seen any JL/JTs with the steel knuckles stock have any of the shimmy/wobble concerns. Maybe someone can show an example. Parts changed is one thing, but never on stock.
 

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My buddy and I bought ours from the same dealship the same weekend. Roughly the same amount of miles but the differences is mine is eco and his isn't. His is also bone stock and mine is on mopar 2in, 35s, steel bumpers and winch. With this said, a few weeks ago my steering became super sloppy but no wobble. I take it in and service depot said my track bar and dampner are shot. I installed adj trackbar from jks and installed clayton relocation kit for the dampner (waiting for fox to resolve an missing bushing issues) and installed oem dampner. My steering is better but still not wobble

My buddy on the other hand called me an hour ago saying he has the wobble and asked if I have it.

So now is there a correlation between eco vs gas? Lifts vs no lifts?

Me: 2021 eco, sport s, lift, 35s, bumpers. No wobble
Him: 2021 gas, sport s stock. Wobble

Both Manufacture date June 21 and both around 20k miles
 
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UPDATE !!! Guys I can’t thank all of y’all enough for all your help ! So I had a set of American Iron ball joint deletes on order. Replaced the factory ball joints and my death wobble is GONE !!! I can go back to enjoying my gladiator as I should once again and it’s such a relief. If anyone has the same issues with death wobble and your suspension and steering feels tight...trust me and replace your ball joints and with something high quality !!! There was absolutely no physical or visual indication that mine would be bad but they were ! And I can’t thank Josh from American Iron ??enough as he personally took all my phone calls even on his way out to King of the Hammers !! Josh is an amazing young man and has exceptional customer service ! Here’s a picture of my gladiator for y’all before all the steering upgrades chasing this ghost !

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My buddy and I bought ours from the same dealship the same weekend. Roughly the same amount of miles but the differences is mine is eco and his isn't. His is also bone stock and mine is on mopar 2in, 35s, steel bumpers and winch. With this said, a few weeks ago my steering became super sloppy but no wobble. I take it in and service depot said my track bar and dampner are shot. I installed adj trackbar from jks and installed clayton relocation kit for the dampner (waiting for fox to resolve an missing bushing issues) and installed oem dampner. My steering is better but still not wobble

My buddy on the other hand called me an hour ago saying he has the wobble and asked if I have it.

So now is there a correlation between eco vs gas? Lifts vs no lifts?

Me: 2021 eco, sport s, lift, 35s, bumpers. No wobble
Him: 2021 gas, sport s stock. Wobble

Both Manufacture date June 21 and both around 20k miles
Tell him to 100 % change his ball joints first and replace them with something high quality ! The Eco may have a little heavier ball joint from stock due to the added weight.
 

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UPDATE !!! Guys I can’t thank all of y’all enough for all your help ! So I had a set of American Iron ball joint deletes on order. Replaced the factory ball joints and my death wobble is GONE !!! I can go back to enjoying my gladiator as I should once again and it’s such a relief. If anyone has the same issues with death wobble and your suspension and steering feels tight...trust me and replace your ball joints and with something high quality !!! There was absolutely no physical or visual indication that mine would be bad but they were ! And I can’t thank Josh from American Iron ??enough as he personally took all my phone calls even on his way out to King of the Hammers !! Josh is an amazing young man and has exceptional customer service ! Here’s a picture of my gladiator for y’all before all the steering upgrades chasing this ghost !

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Glad yours is fixed! But this makes my fears as a tech true. Either I say new Knuckles and steering for everyone thats comes in with anything more then the small shimmy. Or I play the painful game of one part at a time
 
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Glad yours is fixed! But this makes my fears as a tech true. Either I say new Knuckles and steering for everyone thats comes in with anything more then the small shimmy. Or I play the painful game of one part at a time
I’d play 4 ball joints at a time if everything else is checking out and nothing visually worn. The factory lowers I like to never got out of the knuckles. But when I did there was a significant difference in feel of them. The top felt like a normal ball joint but yet upper or lower seemed to feel worn out. But the lowers were filled with a sort of white liquid and the whole thing felt like it was floating in jello...no joke. You could not feel the socket like you normally can feel the ball rolling in the socket of a normal ball joint. I’d say ball joints just in my opinion would fix more than half of all death wobble cases if everything else seems good. Also....my Rubicon has the aluminum outer knuckles. And I did not change them I left them.
 

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My buddy and I bought ours from the same dealship the same weekend. Roughly the same amount of miles but the differences is mine is eco and his isn't. His is also bone stock and mine is on mopar 2in, 35s, steel bumpers and winch. With this said, a few weeks ago my steering became super sloppy but no wobble. I take it in and service depot said my track bar and dampner are shot. I installed adj trackbar from jks and installed clayton relocation kit for the dampner (waiting for fox to resolve an missing bushing issues) and installed oem dampner. My steering is better but still not wobble

My buddy on the other hand called me an hour ago saying he has the wobble and asked if I have it.

So now is there a correlation between eco vs gas? Lifts vs no lifts?

Me: 2021 eco, sport s, lift, 35s, bumpers. No wobble
Him: 2021 gas, sport s stock. Wobble

Both Manufacture date June 21 and both around 20k miles
This kinda goes along with my stament of steel knuckles. Gas none Mojaves have alluminum. Diesel and Mojaves have steel
 

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Glad yours is fixed! But this makes my fears as a tech true. Either I say new Knuckles and steering for everyone thats comes in with anything more then the small shimmy. Or I play the painful game of one part at a time
There is no one single fix. You can't say "ball joints will fix it" because for some it's been loose parts, for others it's been tires, and the list goes on.
So one guy fixes it with ball joint deletes - that's HIS fix for that truck. If it was that simple then 50 years later we'd not still be having this discussion.

My buddy and I bought ours from the same dealship the same weekend. Roughly the same amount of miles but the differences is mine is eco and his isn't. His is also bone stock and mine is on mopar 2in, 35s, steel bumpers and winch. With this said, a few weeks ago my steering became super sloppy but no wobble. I take it in and service depot said my track bar and dampner are shot. I installed adj trackbar from jks and installed clayton relocation kit for the dampner (waiting for fox to resolve an missing bushing issues) and installed oem dampner. My steering is better but still not wobble

My buddy on the other hand called me an hour ago saying he has the wobble and asked if I have it.

So now is there a correlation between eco vs gas? Lifts vs no lifts?

Me: 2021 eco, sport s, lift, 35s, bumpers. No wobble
Him: 2021 gas, sport s stock. Wobble

Both Manufacture date June 21 and both around 20k miles
There is no correlation, no pattern, no simple fix. You can't compare like that.
Again, if it was a matter of knuckle material, then why did this issue exist when there was no such thing as aluminum knuckles? Or when kingpins were used instead of ball joints?

You can't try to compare like that. It just doesn't work.
We've seen people "fix" it with tire swaps, with new bushings, with new ball joints, with simply tightening bolts!
 

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There is no one single fix. You can't say "ball joints will fix it" because for some it's been loose parts, for others it's been tires, and the list goes on.
So one guy fixes it with ball joint deletes - that's HIS fix for that truck. If it was that simple then 50 years later we'd not still be having this discussion.


There is no correlation, no pattern, no simple fix. You can't compare like that.
Again, if it was a matter of knuckle material, then why did this issue exist when there was no such thing as aluminum knuckles? Or when kingpins were used instead of ball joints?

You can't try to compare like that. It just doesn't work.
We've seen people "fix" it with tire swaps, with new bushings, with new ball joints, with simply tightening bolts!
I guess I should say as far as the shimmy goes of alluminum vs Steel. True death wobble is a whole different story that yes like you say, is possible by many things. As far as the shimmy goes though, the given is the stock damper sucks, still, everything else is a crap shoot
 

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I don't recall the specific torque specs for the steering gear to frame bolts, but I had them at one time and did a check on my 2020 - and it was a torque plus degree spec and I got about 1/4 turn more out of mine using the FCA specs as the techs have access to.
I was just checking as I wanted to cover all bases before going back to the dealer about it.

As posted above this post - any deflection is bad and some have actually made videos of the flex when the steering wheel is turned and the truck is stationary

Flexing steel leads to stress cracking - time to look into that part of it as a problem, even if it's not "the" cause of DW in your specific case - it ain't good and imagine how that steering gear is moving once DW starts..................
I experienced my first death wobble after the dealer warrantied my aluminum box for steel one. First few hundred miles were ok, the steering felt the same as the aluminum box. I then got the death wobble and checked all my front suspension torque. Gearbox bolts were the only thing loose. after a 500 mile trip to Death Valley and some off-roading, no death wobble. It had to be the gear box bolts since everything else was pretty much at torque. As you said, the slightest amount loose caused enough deflection to give me the wobble. Also, my steering finally felt tighter and I can actually feel how better the steel box is than my old aluminum. So everyone, CHECK YOUR GEARBOX BOLTS. Don’t trust the dealer.
 

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Stock JT 2020, 48k miles, first DW beginning of February, took to dealer, they said steering stabilizer, mopar out of stock, opted for Rough Country, they could get it in 2 days, DW was worse after that, took back, they checked everything, couple different tech test drove, didn't feel anything, ask me to take them on a ride, went down interstate at 75mph, DW within 5 miles, tech said "got it, that is the DW", left it with them for a week, they called & said bad rear shock, probably bad front shock, also would recommend replacing tires, all that is going to cost about $2200, which sounds right for that work, but I question whether that will actually fix. Not sure I want to fight this DW with no real fix.
 

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Stock JT 2020, 48k miles, first DW beginning of February, took to dealer, they said steering stabilizer, mopar out of stock, opted for Rough Country, they could get it in 2 days, DW was worse after that, took back, they checked everything, couple different tech test drove, didn't feel anything, ask me to take them on a ride, went down interstate at 75mph, DW within 5 miles, tech said "got it, that is the DW", left it with them for a week, they called & said bad rear shock, probably bad front shock, also would recommend replacing tires, all that is going to cost about $2200, which sounds right for that work, but I question whether that will actually fix. Not sure I want to fight this DW with no real fix.
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