2025 Mojave X

[ShadowsPapa]

One thing from what I can tell.

And there is an attitude among a few - even someone else here has noted it if you look back.
(it also comes out in some of the "what should I get" threads)

Whatever.
Things change over time. A steering wheel is changed and we have a freak-out.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Mojave is and will remain unique. There's no taking away from the desert rating - they sell these things in the Middle East under a slightly different configuration and name, but it's still the heart of Mojave.
Rubicon is and will remain unique. It's aimed at a purpose as is Mojave.
You can't delete the things that matter most for those purpose-built vehicles even if most buyers never ever use them for those purposes.

Those two and Sport are basically the Gladiator now.
Sport will be the basis for many other cool things, as it has been to date. It's a good base-Lego (platform) to build other things on.

Each has their own personality.

But we also must face that if Jeep is to survive - if Gladiator is to survive, they must sell to other than hard-core dune-jumpers and cliff-crawlers and swamp rats. They can't survive on only those who buy for those specific purposes. Jeep will fail, the JT will go away.
Them's the facts - if only the hard-core off-roaders bought Jeeps - they'd have disappeared back in 1988. Like it or not, if it takes away from your status because people drive them on highways and buy groceries with them - too bad, we need those buyers.
How many people use a Hummer for everything it can do? LOL - around here, 20-something women drive them to the local grocery stores and pull their kids out of the back seat.

 

[BuyHold]

Late to the game but, as a Mojave owner, what I will say is that what Jeep did with prior model years' differentiated interior, including the steering wheel, was a major selling point when I bought mine. The recent homogenization/"phased-in engineering change" would be a deep disappointment if I were in the market today.

 

[Cooper_D]

looks lumpy and like the stitching is coming apart.

where's diego?

I guess you will just have to “Lemon Law” it

 

[ecidiego]

Yeah, I agree however, de-contenting is a normal thing as a model gets on in years. It's not just a Stellantis thing. I will say at least they did ADD some things as standard: Like the safety group stuff. Which honestly in this day and age should be as it's offered in everyone else's car these days as standard. I do wonder though if the Jeep demographic would prefer this was a credited option if you remove it: IE, standard but you can choose to remove it for a credit.

All this being said, I don't support the whole de-contenting thing.

I'm no longer triggered =D The Gladiator in 2025 is worse than it was....and it is what it is.

I've put fanboys on ignore and will chill now as I don't have to read their posts anymore.

 

[ecidiego]

Late to the game but, as a Mojave owner, what I will say is that what Jeep did with prior model years' differentiated interior, including the steering wheel, was a major selling point when I bought mine. The recent homogenization/"phased-in engineering change" would be a deep disappointment if I were in the market today.

Das it mane. It's weird that they're watering down the Mojave and not the Rubicon.

I checked out a 2025 Mojave X today due to anger. LOL. The Mojave seats are indeed gone. They feel like all the others. The tight bolsters are history. Mojave is now just suspension.

Jumping into my 2021 Mojave after a 2025 X.... the X is a base Sport based on interior. Nothing wrong with a Sport but they charge a hell of a lot more for a Mojave.

The tight bolsters in OG Mojaves are a huge benefit when Mojave is used for what it is suspended for.

 

[ecidiego]

With this being a Mojave X thread, I found a great price on an X in the ‘41 color…only reason I’d want to move on from my Mojave now is bc it doesn’t have the full time auto 4wd. Would be nice to have in the northeast with our unpredictable weather sometimes. For the folks that already have a Mojave X what are your favorite and least favorite things? Steering wheels aside, as I mentioned before I’ve accepted the new ones ain’t changing. Thanks in advance, if I can make the deal work I might make a move.

Buy a sport wheel and put it on your Mojave before you sell or trade it in.

FFS I think half this forum are bots. ( not you who I quoted. ) The same stupid shit has been posted for years.... years old post of mine trying to explain Mojaves are different....

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...el-or-seats-to-mojave-style.33363/post-855301

The 'Premium Bolsters', as Jeep described them in 2021...are awesome. 2025 Mojave doesn't have them.

What Jeep did with Mojave is keep the things most know about ( the suspension ) and remove the things most don't know about as evidenced in this thread ( the much better interior ) and charge the same price.

Jeepers rejoice! lol

 

[Gladurhere]

Buy a sport wheel and put it on your Mojave before you sell or trade it in.

FFS I think half this forum are bots. ( not you who I quoted. ) The same stupid shit has been posted for years.... years old post of mine trying to explain Mojaves are different....

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...el-or-seats-to-mojave-style.33363/post-855301

The 'Premium Bolsters', as Jeep described them in 2021...are awesome. 2025 Mojave doesn't have them.

What Jeep did with Mojave is keep the things most know about ( the suspension ) and remove the things most don't know about as evidenced in this thread ( the much better interior ) and charge the same price.

Jeepers rejoice! lol

Honestly I haven’t even checked it out in person since that dealership is an hour away and they wanna get me into the dealership to get my trade in value…I don’t play that game. I’ll send you a gazillion pictures and the VIN, work with me or I’m not coming in to play the dealership games. Not sure I’d be down with the ‘41 color coming from the Hydro Blue the more I think about it, I like the pop colors. Seeing pictures of the seats they do seem the same across the board now, at least regarding the power seats. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Stellantis in my opinion really f’ed up the Jeep brand in general, especially with the GC. Made all the new ones look all euro like with squinty headlights…pretty sure America didn’t ask for that!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Seeing pictures of the seats they do seem the same across the board now, at least regarding the power seats.

Pictures are deceiving. I also thought they were more flat based on just looking, and photos.
Until I drove mine around for 300 miles............
Then I realized, yeah, these ARE different than the others. I won't say "night and day" between the Overland and Mojave, but feel and comfort are crazy subjective.
Yes, I have to say, after a few hundred miles, sitting in them, feeling them, they do "cradle" you a bit - and more than Rubicon or Sport seats for sure. There's still a difference and I'd still say the Mojave seats are a step up, a bit of a premium. The pictures from the side sure make them look flat, but they aren't.

I don’t play that game. I’ll send you a gazillion pictures and the VIN, work with me or I’m not coming in to play the dealership games.

So you'd ask someone else to do what most people, maybe even yourself, would not do yourself? Buy without actually SEEING it or driving it, putting in gear, listening for clunks or bad feels, vibrations or wobble while driving, loose steering and so on?

No way I'd expect anyone to give me a top-dollar offer without hands-on inspection.
I'm part of a group on another forum where if someone is interested in a vehicle in my area and they are states away, I will go look, drive, listen and inspect the vehicle for that prospective buyer. I've steered people clear of what looked to be good deals as I knew where to look beyond photos.
I'd never give you top money for your Jeep without me seeing, inspecting and driving it even if only around a parking lot.
And I don't expect anyone to buy a vehicle from me without the same courtesy.
I laugh at the online offers - Carmax, Carvana and so on, never seeing my vehicle they make an offer - and it's always lower than what a dealer will give me locally. Why? Because they are taking a bigger risk. They must allow for defects you won't show in your pictures, or things that a photo just can't show.
If I expect a dealer to make me the best offer they can - I allow them the courtesy of seeing and driving my vehicle. Photos don't show the same care seeing it in person does. Even insurance adjusters have upped their offers after actually SEEING my vehicles because, in the words of one "it's obviously had great care..........".

Gonna disagree on the "they'll buy based on pictures or else" bit, sorry. I'd never buy a vehicle sight-unseen.
(one guy bought one of my cars that way, though, due to my reputation and the fact that the whole internet world was aware of that car and what I'd put into it, so there can be exceptions. He saw my post, sent me a down payment and that was that. 25 grand cash on a car because of my reputation and the car's history on the web. )

. Made all the new ones look all euro like with squinty headlights…pretty sure America didn’t ask for that!

I HATE that look, I hate the Rivian look as well (I think my son designed that when he was 4), I hate the squinty headlights and other "modern design" bits.
On the other hand - we are aging ourselves because the younger generations are indeed loving them. I guess we're stuck with it. The younger population centers win.

 

[Gladurhere]

Pictures are deceiving. I also thought they were more flat based on just looking, and photos.
Until I drove mine around for 300 miles............
Then I realized, yeah, these ARE different than the others. I won't say "night and day" between the Overland and Mojave, but feel and comfort are crazy subjective.
Yes, I have to say, after a few hundred miles, sitting in them, feeling them, they do "cradle" you a bit - and more than Rubicon or Sport seats for sure. There's still a difference and I'd still say the Mojave seats are a step up, a bit of a premium. The pictures from the side sure make them look flat, but they aren't.



So you'd ask someone else to do what most people, maybe even yourself, would not do yourself? Buy without actually SEEING it or driving it, putting in gear, listening for clunks or bad feels, vibrations or wobble while driving, loose steering and so on?

No way I'd expect anyone to give me a top-dollar offer without hands-on inspection.
I'm part of a group on another forum where if someone is interested in a vehicle in my area and they are states away, I will go look, drive, listen and inspect the vehicle for that prospective buyer. I've steered people clear of what looked to be good deals as I knew where to look beyond photos.
I'd never give you top money for your Jeep without me seeing, inspecting and driving it even if only around a parking lot.
And I don't expect anyone to buy a vehicle from me without the same courtesy.
I laugh at the online offers - Carmax, Carvana and so on, never seeing my vehicle they make an offer - and it's always lower than what a dealer will give me locally. Why? Because they are taking a bigger risk. They must allow for defects you won't show in your pictures, or things that a photo just can't show.
If I expect a dealer to make me the best offer they can - I allow them the courtesy of seeing and driving my vehicle. Photos don't show the same care seeing it in person does. Even insurance adjusters have upped their offers after actually SEEING my vehicles because, in the words of one "it's obviously had great care..........".

Gonna disagree on the "they'll buy based on pictures or else" bit, sorry. I'd never buy a vehicle sight-unseen.
(one guy bought one of my cars that way, though, due to my reputation and the fact that the whole internet world was aware of that car and what I'd put into it, so there can be exceptions. He saw my post, sent me a down payment and that was that. 25 grand cash on a car because of my reputation and the car's history on the web. )

I’ve had dealerships 3 times in the past give me their best trade in value without stepping into the dealership; maybe PA dealerships are different from others. In the last 10 years or so trading in cars even when they’ve given me trade in value they’ve never driven the car around or fully inspected it. 5 minute look around and that’s it, only seen them pop the hood once to look. For reference most cars I’ve had haven’t been more than 3 years old so maybe that’s why. As for buying sight unseen that will never happen…once I know what you’ll give me for trade in then I’ll stop in to test drive. Even if I had a truck specifically ordered to what I’d want I’ll still test drive it before signing and giving a down payment. In the end it’s not gonna work out anyway for me to even check out an X as I’m too upside down; I knew I would be it was just seeing how far. Plus I really don’t want to add another year and a half onto payments…would be nice to actually own a vehicle for the first time in a while! As I mentioned before the only enticement for me with the X was having the full time 4wd auto available, other than that I love my ‘23 Mojave.

 

[RubiNewbCB]

I'm getting the affiliate 1% below invoice and 4K off due to incentives, and of course trading my 2022.

Around Des Moines, dealers are MSRP, period, take it or leave it. They simply won't deal.
Those that do deep discounts often don't give squat for your trade, so they make up their discounts that way.

Stealerships in the Hampton Roads/Tidewater area of Virginia are the same, due to all the Military E1s paying full price plus for new vehicles around here. Consistent Demand on the supply.

 

[Mr Miami]

I’ve had dealerships 3 times in the past give me their best trade in value without stepping into the dealership; maybe PA dealerships are different from others. In the last 10 years or so trading in cars even when they’ve given me trade in value they’ve never driven the car around or fully inspected it. 5 minute look around and that’s it, only seen them pop the hood once to look under the hood. As for buying sight unseen that will never happen…once I know what you’ll give me for trade in then I’ll stop in to test drive. Even if I had a truck specifically ordered to what I’d want I’ll still test drive it before signing and giving a down payment. In the end it’s not gonna work out anyway for me to even check out an X as I’m too upside down; I knew I would be it was just seeing how far. Plus I really don’t want to add another year and a half onto payments…would be nice to actually own a vehicle for the first time in a while!

Trading in cars has certainly changed from the way it was done in the past, at least at some places. For example, before my wife bought her new BMW we got a trade-in quote from two dealers each around 11k, about wholesale on a 320i (2016). They both did a quick walk-around but that was about it since both said it was too old (8 yrs at the time) to put on their used lot. It was simply being wholesaled (it was in really nice shape with about 65k miles). Anyway, a friend told me to try Carmax and Carvana. They are both near my house so I went first to Carmax and they offered 12.5k. They I put the information in to Carvana online. They offered 14k, sight unseen. I just checked the boxes on options it had and overall condition. They just wanted me to make an appointment with them so they would have the check ready. I dropped the car off at their location and 10 minutes later walked away with a check. No test drive or anything. I was surprised.

I'm not sure how they would handle anything that has been modified or altered but in my case it worked out well.

 

[Gladurhere]

Trading in cars has certainly changed from the way it was done in the past, at least at some places. For example, before my wife bought her new BMW we got a trade-in quote from two dealers each around 11k, about wholesale on a 320i (2016). They both did a quick walk-around but that was about it since both said it was too old (8 yrs at the time) to put on their used lot. It was simply being wholesaled (it was in really nice shape with about 65k miles). Anyway, a friend told me to try Carmax and Carvana. They are both near my house so I went first to Carmax and they offered 12.5k. They I put the information in to Carvana online. They offered 14k, sight unseen. I just checked the boxes on options it had and overall condition. They just wanted me to make an appointment with them so they would have the check ready. I dropped the car off at their location and 10 minutes later walked away with a check. No test drive or anything. I was surprised.

I'm not sure how they would handle anything that has been modified or altered but in my case it worked out well.

I’ve heard that with Carmax before…I tried them last time but ended up getting a better trade in value from a somewhat local dealer. In the end it’s all a game pitting them against each other and I’m tired of playing it I did alright during Covid trade in times though!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’ve had dealerships 3 times in the past give me their best trade in value without stepping into the dealership; maybe PA dealerships are different from others.

Could be. Markets are different everywhere. I'd never expect the same results in this state as what others experience. It's going to matter differently on age, miles and other factors, depending on where you live. A few years ago, dealers were going crazy buying used pickups for high bucks.
I've never had any luck with the online outfits - dealer has always either come very very close to matching, or in the case of Carvana, Carmax and KBB - blew them out of the water.
OF course, there's the tax thing here - sell your trade to one of those guys and now you pay tax on the full purchase price of the new one. I figured when I bought my 2020, I had to get 2500 more out of my trade selling it privately or to an online outfit just to offset the sales tax amount.

For my 2nd Gladiator, Driveway was always the best price - beating the others by thousands, but when the dealer offered me within $500 of the Driveway offer - it was a no-brainer due to the sales tax. I came out ahead with the dealer's offer. KBB, Carvana and Carmax offers were insulting.
But - where you live, matters.

 

[Gladurhere]

Could be. Markets are different everywhere. I'd never expect the same results in this state as what others experience. It's going to matter differently on age, miles and other factors, depending on where you live. A few years ago, dealers were going crazy buying used pickups for high bucks.
I've never had any luck with the online outfits - dealer has always either come very very close to matching, or in the case of Carvana, Carmax and KBB - blew them out of the water.
OF course, there's the tax thing here - sell your trade to one of those guys and now you pay tax on the full purchase price of the new one. I figured when I bought my 2020, I had to get 2500 more out of my trade selling it privately or to an online outfit just to offset the sales tax amount.

For my 2nd Gladiator, Driveway was always the best price - beating the others by thousands, but when the dealer offered me within $500 of the Driveway offer - it was a no-brainer due to the sales tax. I came out ahead with the dealer's offer. KBB, Carvana and Carmax offers were insulting.
But - where you live, matters.

In PA most of the dealers will give about 10k off but like you mentioned earlier, they may be low balling the trade in to offset. I work in sales and understand they gotta make money just like I do! It’s just tiring shopping it all; my wife keeps reminding me, “you said this will be my last Gladiator in 2023!”

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