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[doc-ketamine]

Does it not run as a convenientonal hybrid as well, where the electric motor can supplement the combustion engine? Is it just one or the other at a time?

Yes, it can run as a conventional hybrid as well.

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[sunrise089]

I've done some upgrades and I like the look of my JTO right now, but I need to figure out if I'm going to continue to make upgrades on this one or leave it like this and turn it in/sell it when the 4xe comes out?

I'd 100% pause further upgrades pending MY22 announcements. Waiting for more info here versus forum speculation is basically 'free' so that seems like the smart money play. If no 4xe (or something wilder like a 5.7 option or a turbo I6) then keep upgrading, if the 4xe is announced then you'll know more then with respect to Gladiator-specific details like range and perhaps more importantly towing.

yes it does....I could almost care less about the battery only range. the 4xe= v8 power with v4 MPG. And its cheaper too. I can see the argument of waiting a year to work out bugs and make sure its not catching fire in peoples garages!
Even if it only does pull 15miles electric only, that gets me to work with miles to spare and they have several charges there, including plain old wall outlets.

I was going to quibble with 'V8 power/V4 efficiency' but I think that's actually a pretty good description of the better-case usage scenarios (well, I4 efficiency, but I'm not trying to be an a-hole ). Car and Driver ran their Wrangler 4xe to 60 in 5.4 seconds, so if Gladiator is more like 5.9 that's consistent with 4x4 V8 performance, albeit not at the top of the heap. With respect to fuel economy, those running all or most of their trip on battery power should see great fuel efficiency too. The downsides in the same review were that 2WD acceleration was 1.3 seconds slower due to torque throttling and a multi-hour drive saw 16mpg fuel economy. In that scenario it's more like 'SUV class-competitive V6 power and V8 fuel efficiency.'

All that said I'm high on 4xe and if I wanted the increased power and had a short commute I'd strongly consider it as long as the pricing holds and the tax credit remains in place. FWIW I'd also not wait a year to order - I think the powertrain will have gotten lots of testing from Pacifica in 2020 and Wrangler in 2021 and the tax credit won't be around forever...

 

[aldo98229]

I was seriously considering trading in my 2018 Sahara V6 with 6,500 miles, a Mopar lift and 35-inch tires for a 4Xe. It looks perfect on paper for my daily driving, made of short 3-5 mile drives. But I desisted after test driving it.

The 4Xe powertrain has its pluses, but it also offers some glaring compromises. Unlike say a 392, which delivers its power consistently, over and over, and sounds awesome doing it, in 4Xe you have to make sure you are in the right mode (it has three modes: 2.0T, hybrid and EV) or you won’t get what you expect.

In my case, we rolled out of the dealership parking lot in hybrid mode. At that point only the electric motor was on. The Jeep was eerily quiet, which is kinda cool. As soon as we enter the main road, the salesman tells me to “floor it!” He is trying to impress me with how much power this thing has. But instead, my foot to the floor is followed by hesitation, as the hybrid system is trying to decide what to do. I could feel the system waking up the 2.0T, which up to this point has been turned off —and is cold. The 2.0T, just woken up, comes online screaming like a cat in heat! There are all sorts of jerking and unpleasant noises while all of this is happening. Needles to say I am not impressed; drove the rest of the test drive like an old lady.

I’ve been told that I shouldn’t have tried to do that in hybrid mode. Perhaps that’s true, but it is the salesman’s job to know this.

Let’s face it, nothing in this world is perfect, and neither is 4Xe. I got back to my Sahara, gave her a big hug and promised to forget all about trading her in.

Perhaps if I were coming into a Jeep for the first time it would make sense to get a 4Xe. But IMO it makes no sense to get rid of a nice, lifted Jeep V6 for a 4Xe that offers its own set of compromises.

I've had a few forum members who love the thought of a plug-in hybrid Jeep, call me a hybrid hater and tell me to stop telling my 4xe impressions. As long as someone brings up the question, I’ll freely share my perspective. We are all grown up enough to make our own decisions.

If you decide to get a 4Xe, make sure you do it for the right reasons, not just because the grass always looks greener on the other side.

 

[BAT]

Interesting vehicle depending on your needs I suppose. If I were not wanting something that could tow and it had more range on the batteries (Commute is 100 miles twice a week).

 

[sunrise089]

I was seriously considering trading in my 2018 Sahara V6 with 6,500 miles, a Mopar lift and 35-inch tires for a 4Xe. It looks perfect on paper for my daily driving, made of short 3-5 mile drives. But I desisted after test driving it.
...
I’ve been told that I shouldn’t have tried to do that in hybrid mode. Perhaps that’s true, but it is the salesman’s job to know this.

Thanks for sharing your real-world impressions. The Car and Driver article I referenced above had the same experience but I was somewhat discounting it because they've been down on Gladiator this year.

I'm surprised someone said not to ask for full acceleration in hybrid mode. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that seems like the main mode you'd want to ask for peak acceleration. 2.0l (battery saver) mode won't give you 475hp, and whether EV mode ultimately will or not (if you floor the gas and stay on it) it's clearly not designed around performance. Hybrid mode is the only mode designed around the combined peak power as I understand the system, so if you shouldn't ask for full acceleration there then when should you ask for it?!

 

[Snzzbry_Ovrlnd]

You couldn't pay me to get into a 4XE Gladiator. Maybe when they make the battery system better and you can get more than 15 miles on a charge. More like 100 or higher. Until then, I'll stick with my gas burner, thank you very much.

You understand the 4xe is the same 3.6L V6 but with the electric add-ons?

 

[Snzzbry_Ovrlnd]

Are you using your truck to tow? The Jeep hybrids aren't the right tool for the job. It's out of the question for me, it's not like the F150 with the V6 turbo.

Now my wife is looking at the EV Mini Cooper after I started blabbing on about the 4xe Wranglers........

I don't tow anything right now.

 

[Snzzbry_Ovrlnd]

Great looking JT! Where’d you get those hood latches?

Amazon has them.

 

[Snzzbry_Ovrlnd]

I was seriously considering trading in my 2018 Sahara V6 with 6,500 miles, a Mopar lift and 35-inch tires for a 4Xe. It looks perfect on paper for my daily driving, made of short 3-5 mile drives. But I desisted after test driving it.

The 4Xe powertrain has its pluses, but it also offers some glaring compromises. Unlike say a 392, which delivers its power consistently, over and over, and sounds awesome doing it, in 4Xe you have to make sure you are in the right mode (it has three modes: 2.0T, hybrid and EV) or you won’t get what you expect.

In my case, we rolled out of the dealership parking lot in hybrid mode. At that point only the electric motor was on. The Jeep was eerily quiet, which is kinda cool. As soon as we enter the main road, the salesman tells me to “floor it!” He is trying to impress me with how much power this thing has. But instead, my foot to the floor is followed by hesitation, as the hybrid system is trying to decide what to do. I could feel the system waking up the 2.0T, which up to this point has been turned off —and is cold. The 2.0T, just woken up, comes online screaming like a cat in heat! There are all sorts of jerking and unpleasant noises while all of this is happening. Needles to say I am not impressed; drove the rest of the test drive like an old lady.

I’ve been told that I shouldn’t have tried to do that in hybrid mode. Perhaps that’s true, but it is the salesman’s job to know this.

Let’s face it, nothing in this world is perfect, and neither is 4Xe. I got back to my Sahara, gave her a big hug and promised to forget all about trading her in.

Perhaps if I were coming into a Jeep for the first time it would make sense to get a 4Xe. But IMO it makes no sense to get rid of a nice, lifted Jeep V6 for a 4Xe that offers its own set of compromises.

I've had a few forum members who love the thought of a plug-in hybrid Jeep, call me a hybrid hater and tell me to stop telling my 4xe impressions. As long as someone brings up the question, I’ll freely share my perspective. We are all grown up enough to make our own decisions.

If you decide to get a 4Xe, make sure you do it for the right reasons, not just because the grass always looks greener on the other side.

I am not sure you can make a 1 for 1 comparison. The Jeep 4xe has a 3.6LV6 not 2.0T, and I've been told the reaction time is pretty fast on the Wranglers.

 

[99ls1tj]

I am not sure you can make a 1 for 1 comparison. The Jeep 4xe has a 3.6LV6 not 2.0T, and I've been told the reaction time is pretty fast on the Wranglers.

? The 4XE uses the 2.0T

 

[texanjeeper]

You understand the 4xe is the same 3.6L V6 but with the electric add-ons?

I fail to see the purpose of gaining 15 miles of electric charge, for the worry of what's going to happen to those batteries in 5, 6, 8 years, and then how do you dispose of them without trashing the environment? I'm no global warming nut, but I do think we have to be responsible about how we treat things, and this question keeps coming up in long-term discussions. It's ironic that some of the nuts who want to do away completely with gas burners are the same ones who have a blind spot when it comes to electric cars.

 

[99ls1tj]

I fail to see the purpose of gaining 15 miles of electric charge, for the worry of what's going to happen to those batteries in 5, 6, 8 years, and then how do you dispose of them without trashing the environment? I'm no global warming nut, but I do think we have to be responsible about how we treat things, and this question keeps coming up in long-term discussions. It's ironic that some of the nuts who want to do away completely with gas burners are the same ones who have a blind spot when it comes to electric cars.

21 miles+ . 10 year warranty on the hybrid. With regular charging we’re getting 700 miles + on a tank of fuel.

 

[texanjeeper]

21 miles+ . 10 year warranty on the hybrid. With regular charging we’re getting 700 miles + on a tank of fuel.

So, if you take a trip from Georgia to Kalifornia, what do those numbers turn into? Yes, I can see if you're putzing around town, how you might, MIGHT, be able to milk 700 miles out of a tank of gas, if the electric being used is when you are going 20 miles per hour or less....I'm just guessing but that would make sense to me.

 

[99ls1tj]

So, if you take a trip from Georgia to Kalifornia, what do those numbers turn into? Yes, I can see if you're putzing around town, how you might, MIGHT, be able to milk 700 miles out of a tank of gas, if the electric being used is when you are going 20 miles per hour or less....I'm just guessing but that would make sense to me.

it would turn into 27mpg, because I would use my JTRD for that trip. ?

 

[texanjeeper]

it would turn into 27mpg, because I would use my JTRD for that trip. ?

Sure, whatever lets you sleep at night.

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