Auto stop disable

[coalcracker]

But the ASS only works when you completely let out the clutch while in neutral. Makes for a nice option whether to use it or not...if I see I'm going to be at a light for more than 15 seconds or so, I'll let the ASS activate; otherwise I keep the clutch depressed.

Ah, I see what you mean! Honestly, I didn’t know how it worked, other than that at one point on my drive it kicked in and I thought the Jeep had stalled and then I found the button to turn it off. Good to know!

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[Bbannongmu]

My thoughts exactly! Not to mention all the posts regarding battery problems related to ASS. With the Tazer installed the ASS stays in the operating position it was last in when the Jeep is turned off. So the next time you start the Jeep the ASS will be off if it was off when you shut down.

Ha!! I refer to it as A.S.S. too! I use the Tazer to keep it turned off too.

 

[Deleted member 28696]

Ha!! I refer to it as A.S.S. too! I use the Tazer to keep it turned off too.

I hate this feature. I know that I can use the button on the dash but it resets every start. I am fairly certain that there is a way to permanently disable it. I guess my bigger question is, should I? I mean it annoys TF outta me, but maybe I should get used to it? To me it seems to be extra wear and tear on all the starter parts. Thoughts?

I didn’t like it much when I first got my Jeep since it was not what I was used to. However since then I have grown to like it. I did have an issue with both batteries failing. To solve that issue I went with a full sized dual battery genesis system that won’t allow the batteries to fully drain. It also moves the small battery from under the fuse box to an accessible area. If you’re batteries aren’t holding a good charge the ESS system isn’t going to work correctly. Since the dual battery change I haven’t had to replace the batteries & it hasn’t completely discharged & the ESS system actually works like it should.

 

[Bbannongmu]

I didn’t like it much when I first got my Jeep since it was not what I was used to. However since then I have grown to like it. I did have an issue with both batteries failing. To solve that issue I went with a full sized dual battery genesis system that won’t allow the batteries to fully drain. It also moves the small battery from under the fuse box to an accessible area. If you’re batteries aren’t holding a good charge the ESS system isn’t going to work correctly. Since the dual battery change I haven’t had to replace the batteries & it hasn’t completely discharged & the ESS system actually works like it should.

I use the Tazer to keep it off. A few bucks in gas over the years seems like a small price to use pay for an engine oil system, a starter and related systems that doesn’t have to go through thousands of additional stop /start cycles. Plus I have a real Centerforce clutch and heavier flywheel that would add additional wear and tear.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It does seem that dealers are trying to save Stellantis money, for some odd reason, since they are reimbursed for time and materials. My dealer told me that installation of any Jeep Performance part, in my case the Mopar lift and potentially the Spicer 4.88 ring and pinion voids the warranty for suspension and everything related to the axle. I still find it ironic or hypocritical for Jeep to push their own performance parts that void the original warranty. This seems ripe for another lawsuit that Mopar would likely lose.

The closest dealer to me has an accessories guy and a room devoted to such parts.
I asked him one time about regearing my 2020. He told me that if it was MOPAR parts, they become part of the truck and are covered under remaining truck warranty or the parts warranty, which-ever is longer. I believe it even states that in the fine print of the warranty PDF.
He said all that any parts like a MOPAR lift, gears or whatever could impact would be the original warranty on the parts. If I had them install a MOPAR lift, the factory warranty would cover the springs or shocks to its limit, then the lift or parts warranty would if it outlasted the truck's warranty period.
The only thing he said was that if it wasn't mopar parts, that part would not be covered by Jeep but the rest of my truck would.
They must cover all suspension parts if you swap to another company's ring and pinion. Time to find a different dealer.
When a dealer points out in detail what is and isn't covered, and how it's covered and even offers to sell me the stuff to change the settings for tires and so on cheaper than they can do it for....... I suspect he's being honest.
Anyway, their lift doesn't void anything other than it may be covered differently under the warranty for the MOPAR parts - but it won't change the warranty on any other part.
It you put in a MOPAR lift and the differential fries, they must cover it.
If you install a lift yourself and something comes loose and causes damage - that's likely on you. If you have them install it, the parts and labor are covered - the labor by them, so if a part comes loose, they cover it.

If I do a relatively long trip, say 1,000 miles, and towards the end of that trip I do a long (20 miles) 10mpg pull (like up a mountain pass,) the Average MPG on the Fuel Economy screen will start to drop, whereas the fuel economy on, say, Trip A, won't move, as I would expect for some (20) miles at 10mpg at the end of a 1,000-mile trip. I haven't done rigorous comparisons of Trip A, Trip B, and the Fuel Economy screen, but I have seen them be different on frequent occasions.
I wouldn't use the Fuel Economy screen, but use Trip A or Trip B for an extended comparison.
Just sayin'.

Kevin

I've recently kept track of both of our Jeeps.
Every single time on the JT and my wife's GC, the trip A matches the average shown exactly to the tenth. The trip B may be off 3 or 4 tenths but never more.
A is always exact match with the displayed average on the cluster on both Jeeps.
B may be off 0.3 - 0.4 and that's the worst I've seen so far.

On our multi-thousand mile trip to and from FL last month, A always matched the cluster display exactly and was never off even by 0.1 mph.
I'm still keeping track of things - I may go back to using fill-up and see how close trip B is to that.
A usually matched or was close to the phone app - now I'm curious to see if trip B matches the phone app more precisely.
In any case, I'm not bothered by a .2 or .3 discrepancy as you are off more than that simply by how you can't possibly get the exact same gallons back in that were taken out so only the long average over several tanks ever really counts.

 

[Geoarch]

The closest dealer to me has an accessories guy and a room devoted to such parts.
I asked him one time about regearing my 2020. He told me that if it was MOPAR parts, they become part of the truck and are covered under remaining truck warranty or the parts warranty, which-ever is longer. I believe it even states that in the fine print of the warranty PDF.
He said all that any parts like a MOPAR lift, gears or whatever could impact would be the original warranty on the parts. If I had them install a MOPAR lift, the factory warranty would cover the springs or shocks to its limit, then the lift or parts warranty would if it outlasted the truck's warranty period.
The only thing he said was that if it wasn't mopar parts, that part would not be covered by Jeep but the rest of my truck would.
They must cover all suspension parts if you swap to another company's ring and pinion. Time to find a different dealer.
When a dealer points out in detail what is and isn't covered, and how it's covered and even offers to sell me the stuff to change the settings for tires and so on cheaper than they can do it for....... I suspect he's being honest.
Anyway, their lift doesn't void anything other than it may be covered differently under the warranty for the MOPAR parts - but it won't change the warranty on any other part.
It you put in a MOPAR lift and the differential fries, they must cover it.
If you install a lift yourself and something comes loose and causes damage - that's likely on you. If you have them install it, the parts and labor are covered - the labor by them, so if a part comes loose, they cover it.



I've recently kept track of both of our Jeeps.
Every single time on the JT and my wife's GC, the trip A matches the average shown exactly to the tenth. The trip B may be off 3 or 4 tenths but never more.
A is always exact match with the displayed average on the cluster on both Jeeps.
B may be off 0.3 - 0.4 and that's the worst I've seen so far.

On our multi-thousand mile trip to and from FL last month, A always matched the cluster display exactly and was never off even by 0.1 mph.
I'm still keeping track of things - I may go back to using fill-up and see how close trip B is to that.
A usually matched or was close to the phone app - now I'm curious to see if trip B matches the phone app more precisely.
In any case, I'm not bothered by a .2 or .3 discrepancy as you are off more than that simply by how you can't possibly get the exact same gallons back in that were taken out so only the long average over several tanks ever really counts.

It seems that the interpretation of warranty is up to the dealer, although I imagine a call to Jeep might provide clarity here. While I could have done it, I had the dealer where I bought my JTR install the Mopar lift assuming it would be covered since it was Mopar parts and dealer installed, but still the service guy said that the lift would not be covered under warranty. In New Mexico as a small state there aren't many dealers as options. I imagine I could go to Arizona or Colorado. I did query him directly on installing Spicer 4.88 gears, sold on the Jeep Performance web site, and he said it wouldn't matter whether they did it or a third party, it still wouldn't be covered from the ring and pinion out to the end of the axles. Again, I think that could be questioned at the corporate level. Or, I could drive to your dealer in Iowa!

 

[Deleted member 28696]

I use the Tazer to keep it off. A few bucks in gas over the years seems like a small price to use pay for an engine oil system, a starter and related systems that doesn’t have to go through thousands of additional stop /start cycles. Plus I have a real Centerforce clutch and heavier flywheel that would add additional wear and tear.

I can understand why you'd want to disable it for that reason. I have a TAZER mini as well which I've done a few things with like enabling the 115v plug, geared to 5.13's with 37-inch tires. I'm a wildlife photographer on the weekends and the start stop comes in handy for me since it turns off the engine and doesn't disturb what you're trying to capture. In addition, it stops camera / lens shake that happens with the engine running which results in clearer photos. Thus far the Genesis system has solved the issues I was having with the Batteries and ESS so i figured I'd mention it on this thread. Have a great weekend.

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