Bronco is fullsize - no comparison

[TennesseePA]

Here is a little video for your viewing pleasure. The Bronco is a badass. Jeeps may be the original badass both they’re not the only one anymore.

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[Skdmarc]

Um…It’s 1” longer than a 4 door Wrangler and 29” shorter than your Gladiator…so no it’s not even close to as long as your Gladiator.

Don't argue with that guy he also has a 47 inch penis how would you ever think the bronco and gladiator are the same length

 

[Skdmarc]

Has anyone watched any off roading videos the IFS argument is dead you basically have the same off road experience with a much improved on road ride quality I say this from a non hard-core off roader my Mojave will never touch sand dunes, snow drifts yes, and the brief off road adventures to go kayaking but much like most jeep owners it's flat tops for me so the vastly improved ride quality would be worth it

 

[Spur]

I bought a 4 seat midsize pickup. The bronco will never match that.

 

[Rares]

The Bronco is a better product. 4 piece removable roof panel, better quality ride and larger screen (my 5 inch screen is a joke). All vehicles have been getting larger because that's what people want. I bought a Gladiator because it's a convertible truck, but the Wrangler is definitely in trouble.

 

[BAT]

Definitely could be wrong in this assumption but I don't think the competition will drive down the prices much might even increase the prices. Jeep might come back with new stuff but from what I have seen they are just likely going to charge even more and nickel dime more on the next models. Instead of including things that should go into a truck of this price it will just become more expensive.

 

[jpjpjp]

Saw this at Stowe, VT a couple of weeks ago. This was the first Bronco I've seen close up. It was parked next to a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I thought it looked good with the exception of the roof baggie.
I'd be happy with a Bronco. Not everyone is going hardcore off-roading in these ridiculously priced rigs. If there was a bronco/F-150 lightning truck option against a gladiator 4xe option, it would not be an easy decision. I have ties to both brands. I'd be happy with either, but my household would be happier with IFS. I wish Jeep was still an American company as that makes the decision harder.

Most wranglers/gladiators don't go off-road, so I don't know why balls are busted so much when people readily admit that they won't. I cannot afford a $50K toy that could get trashed on the trail. I would go on fire roads, some light off-road trails in VT/NH, and definitely get a beach off road permit. Hauling bikes and trailers, too. Maybe throwing a plow on the front. Nothing that is going to make or break me with a difference in width of 3 or even 6 inches. Parking somewhere, however, could be an issue.

 

[NachoRuby]

The Bronco is a better product. 4 piece removable roof panel, better quality ride and larger screen (my 5 inch screen is a joke). All vehicles have been getting larger because that's what people want. I bought a Gladiator because it's a convertible truck, but the Wrangler is definitely in trouble.

You didn't have to get a 5 inch screen. You could get an 8.4" screen or a 7" screen too. That said, I doubt screen size will be the difference here. That's going to be minor detail. You can also get a soft top. I don't think there's an all out "better" product here. It's going to be like the pony car wars, or the truck wars. Each will have its fanbase. Ride quality is subjective, but I don't think most casual people notice the difference in a JL. The ride quality in a JL/JT (or even a JK) doesn't lead me to think about the solid axle on anything but the worst of potholes. And even then, I'm not sure if ifs would handle it better or just differently. We have a jk, and test drove several JLs (and have the gladiator). Also, we're both car people, other than the jeeps we've owned (and an f150). Still no complaints about the ride quality, despite being mostly used to cars. Jeeps aren't as uncivilized as the solid axle vs ifs debate makes it seem. IFS isn't domed off-road, and solid axle isn't an automatic poor experience on road.

 

[LostWoods]

The Bronco is a better product. 4 piece removable roof panel, better quality ride and larger screen (my 5 inch screen is a joke). All vehicles have been getting larger because that's what people want. I bought a Gladiator because it's a convertible truck, but the Wrangler is definitely in trouble.

It's better thought out 100x over... time will tell if it's better though I think it will be for 80% of the market.

You didn't have to get a 5 inch screen. You could get an 8.4" screen or a 7" screen too. That said, I doubt screen size will be the difference here. That's going to be minor detail. You can also get a soft top. I don't think there's an all out "better" product here. It's going to be like the pony car wars, or the truck wars. Each will have its fanbase. Ride quality is subjective, but I don't think most casual people notice the difference in a JL. The ride quality in a JL/JT (or even a JK) doesn't lead me to think about the solid axle on anything but the worst of potholes. And even then, I'm not sure if ifs would handle it better or just differently. We have a jk, and test drove several JLs (and have the gladiator). Also, we're both car people, other than the jeeps we've owned (and an f150). Still no complaints about the ride quality, despite being mostly used to cars. Jeeps aren't as uncivilized as the solid axle vs ifs debate makes it seem. IFS isn't domed off-road, and solid axle isn't an automatic poor experience on road.

Yeah but when comparing base to base the Ford is better equipped here. Not everyone wants to pay $1200 for a radio upgrade because it's tied to a bunch of other unecessary shit like dual zone A/C.

My 5.0 setup is on par with what my commuter Fiesta (literally A/C only option) had in 2011. That's just not acceptable anymore. Actually no, the Ford was better because it didn't crash every other week with an audio spike that already took out one set of speakers.

 

[NachoRuby]

It's better thought out 100x over... time will tell if it's better though I think it will be for 80% of the market.



Yeah but when comparing base to base the Ford is better equipped here. Not everyone wants to pay $1200 for a radio upgrade because it's tied to a bunch of other unecessary shit like dual zone A/C.

My 5.0 setup is on par with what my commuter Fiesta (literally A/C only option) had in 2011. That's just not acceptable anymore. Actually no, the Ford was better because it didn't crash every other week with an audio spike that already took out one set of speakers.

Yeah, the base bronco is definitely better equipped. Let's not forget base wranglers still have AC as an option too, and forget about the manual locks and windows. I think some more things will become standard on Jeeps, absolutely. They'll have no choice. By the way, my experience with sync on my Fiesta ST was the exact opposite of yours. It locked up every single day. Luck of the draw, I guess. One thing I'm seeing on the Broncos is that there's a 25% manual take rate on the Broncos. I think that's awesome, as a manual enthusiast. That hopefully means good things in the future for the 3 of us who still buy manual Gladiators and Wranglers (haha).

 

[LostWoods]

Yeah, the base bronco is definitely better equipped. Let's not forget base wranglers still have AC as an option too, and forget about the manual locks and windows. I think some more things will become standard on Jeeps, absolutely. They'll have no choice. By the way, my experience with sync on my Fiesta ST was the exact opposite of yours. It locked up every single day. Luck of the draw, I guess.

I've heard the same on the more advanced ones actually but mine was the basic... Ironically once they got away from the Microsoft supported version, it got less stable despite getting more feature-rich.

 

[bleda2002]

It's better thought out 100x over... time will tell if it's better though I think it will be for 80% of the market.



Yeah but when comparing base to base the Ford is better equipped here. Not everyone wants to pay $1200 for a radio upgrade because it's tied to a bunch of other unecessary shit like dual zone A/C.

My 5.0 setup is on par with what my commuter Fiesta (literally A/C only option) had in 2011. That's just not acceptable anymore. Actually no, the Ford was better because it didn't crash every other week with an audio spike that already took out one set of speakers.

I kind of laugh at the base argument pretty much no one is buying the base of either of these things except a few die hards and penny pinchers. The average car is over 40k at this point and still climbing. The average person wants dual climate, big screens, the upgraded radio and the nice interior. Average buyers don't care about front or rear lockers, sfa or ifs, they care how it rides and drives and what it looks like with big tires and a 2-3 inch lift. The bronco clearly said it wanted to chase the average Joe as they went for the better ride and rack and pinion. The interior is big even if it's classicly ford cost cut to be kind of cheap feeling and looking, it will show well at the dealer when you aren't looking too hard because it's a new car. One place the Ford dropped the ball is the shitty sound system and the soft tops. The saggy wavy windows don't scream cool or awesome they scream lame, same as the terrible sound system.

The 3 vs 4 piece roof is a novelty, same as the mirrors on the door or the body. It's something a car dealer will use to sell an average Joe looking to look cool. The trails will still currently be dominated by old jeeps that are built up and in 10 years it will be old jls and jts that are built up because the one major down side to ifs is that it's not cheap or easy compared to a sfa to turn in to a serious rock crawler or mud buggy.

 

[Sazabi19]

I've always been a Jeep fan, but I was excited when I learned there would be a competitor from Ford. However, from what I know now, I just don't see it. I think it will be a bit like the FJ Cruiser. An attractive novelty that just can't compete off-road. They REALLY screwed up giving it IFS, just like Toyota did. They will sell, but I just don't see them going down the same rock crawling Jeep trails still dominated by Wranglers and Cherokees.

Really? Cuz every video I've seen with the Broncos has them going along just fine with Wranglers on the trail. The only place I can see it being a problem is extreme terrain that counts for a very tiny fraction of Jeep owners. And those Jeeps are usually highly modified at that point.

 

[Sazabi19]

Yeah, the base bronco is definitely better equipped. Let's not forget base wranglers still have AC as an option too, and forget about the manual locks and windows. I think some more things will become standard on Jeeps, absolutely. They'll have no choice. By the way, my experience with sync on my Fiesta ST was the exact opposite of yours. It locked up every single day. Luck of the draw, I guess. One thing I'm seeing on the Broncos is that there's a 25% manual take rate on the Broncos. I think that's awesome, as a manual enthusiast. That hopefully means good things in the future for the 3 of us who still buy manual Gladiators and Wranglers (haha).

Let's also not forget that some people WANT a basic vehicle without power locks/windows or AC. I'm not 1 of those people but there are fanatics out there like that and they specifically come to Jeep for those ultra basic Wranglers.

 

[NachoRuby]

Let's also not forget that some people WANT a basic vehicle without power locks/windows or AC. I'm not 1 of those people but there are fanatics out there like that and they specifically come to Jeep for those ultra basic Wranglers.

You're right. But maybe they'll have to make the base one a little cheaper, since it currently costs the same as a bronco that has more stuff. If manual everything is cheaper, them I'm down for it. For the same price as the better equipped competition, that's a stretch.

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