Delete push button start, go back to keyed ignition? The rfid brick has to go...

[Jt-wrx]

It cracks me up that people want to buy a truck that is great due to all sorts of new design and manufacturing abilities created by the latest tech, and then hobble it with old tech. Crazy.

if i could have bought it with an all mechancial 4bt cummins i would have, manual transmission, and dick for options...as it was i tried my best, there's a lot of technological convenience in life as it is, and luckly there are full load auto overlands and rubicons for those who just want more of it

there are those of us who want some things to be as mechanical simple and engaging as possible, some of those things have wheels and motors, i ordered my jeep as stripped down, simple, and engaging as possible, the key that came with it should have matched, good thing there are ton of guys who stay with the tesla theme where the more it can do for you the better....also agree this fob is a joke though

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[Jt-wrx]

Delhux....a hug would be great.

Yes i was trying to show a point. You're wishes and desires of all this tech and convenience being pushed as what everyone should aspire to felt very rude to me, so to get your attention and maybe open your mind a bit to that we are all different i showed my offense.

Anyway, one guy got it, pretty wild array of wants on this technical shit.

I want a simple jeep truck with solid front axles, big tires, stout gearing, manual everything as possible, to engage me as much as possible in the driving and ownership experience. This fob not only doesn't suit the plain jane i ordered, it's just plain rude for anyone's pocket as a double insult, FCA/Jeep please re-think this.

Solid front axle jeep trucks are not meant to be teslas imo. Why offer a manual transmission at all right? I'd have been good with a radio.

Anyway, as i said, i have far too much luxury and convenience in life as it is, this is an engaging lifestyle vehicle...the less tesla like it is the better.

And, when i wear this fancy little v6 out...that whole rfid crap may go when i do stuff a 4bt in it 20 years down the road. Oh man would that ever feel good, throw that fob into the nearest river.

 

[eaglerugby04]

I haven’t had a keychain with actual keys on it for many years.

My house uses smart locks so they only thing I carry is my Jeep fob, my AirPods on a keychain, and the tiny key for my Diamondback cover.

I still think the key fob is ridiculously oversized, but the next step has to be using my phone/watch to unlock and start my car. I don’t mind being issued a key fob, I just don’t see much need to carry it if I can unlock my car with my phone or watch.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/apple-carkey-digital-phone-as-key-tech-ios-14/

I know people flip out about the idea of losing a phone, but doesn’t the same argument apply to keys? Also, if my smart watch can also perform the same action, I’ve instantly got a backup which is literally strapped to my body. I’ve never strapped extra keys to my body.

I agree the fob is ridiculous, and I don’t like carrying around a ton of bulky stuff. Just let me use my phone. I don’t want weird and jagged pieces of metal in my pocket (it’ll probably scratch my phone).

Would be amazing if I could do that all on my watch/phone. Everything on my house already goes through there.

 

[Jt-wrx]

and what happens when your battery dies? or the watch shits the bed for another reason? ever go places without service or power, outdoorsmen type stuff, hunting etc. then come back to vehicle after 6 days backpacking in somewhere remote? what then?

 

[Jt-wrx]

for a country where preppers are a thing and apocalypse planning is real...this goes hand in hand with that stuff?

our ability to get around you really want all that tied to a 'network' that could be down anytime? pretty tough to turn off a signal to an actual key, or have any sort of malfunction, or dead battery....lmfao

what's that saying about having all your eggs in one basket?

 

[DocMike]

Crazy. Hehe. That's where I put my cell phone. I plug it in. Hard wire because I like charging it while I am driving. I just keep the key in my pocket. It took me a while to adjust to the push button.
But my old ass adapted. To each their own. Get after it if you want to change it.

My 51 Chevy didn't need a key, you switched the ignition on at the dash (with key or by hand) and it had a floor starter. Clutch, brake, gas, starter. My 53 Buick was fancy...you switched on the ignition with a key and then floored the gas pedal. The starter was tied in with it. Would trip a circuit on the carb that engaged the starter. That had three on the tree, manual. Still my favorite to drive. Wanna talk "millennial anti theft?" Yes.

Just an alternative idea, there is a specific slot in the middle of the cup holder for the fob. Always putting it there will maintain your desire to keep the key with the truck. Just think of it as your ignition switch. While this doesn’t provide a lockout like legacy ignition keys and switches, it does offer a specific place for the fob to support your habits without tinkering with wiring.

This is a big honking fob. The plus side of that is that it is easier to find if dropped. My ‘12 JKUR has the traditional ignition switch and buttons for locks and remote start. Neither approach bothers me.

Mine stays in my pocket. I love the proximity detection. Walk up, grab the door handle, open, climb in and start it up. I’m really starting to prefer the newer tech.

Good luck with your solution.

 

[-miko-]

Not to stir the pot, but has anyone found a slimmer option for those of use with a Base key that really only needs the metal key and the RFID? The AJT doesn't seem to improve the size much if you only need these 2 core functions (no remote locks, no remote start). Carrying the brick for just these simple abilities is getting old. If not I may have to sacrifice one of the FOBs and see what I can come up with on my own.

 

[SwampNut]

I've been a technical engineer, consultant, and network engineer for 35 years. A lot of my time is wasted dispelling the combination of "what if the tech fails" and "this is just the way I want to do it!" It's nearly all based on fear and lack of understanding.

I went through the great fear and fight over electronic ignition, fuel injection, airbags, and myriad other improvements in vehicles. I still remember how to set points and fix a carb...things I hope to never ever do again. We are way past the point where spark plugs wear out in 30k miles, keys wear out and steering columns get stuck locked, a speck of water destroys your points and leaves you stranded, and so many things like that. Cars keep getting better and most of the tech is more reliable than the old stuff. I've lived through it. Never going back.

Seriously people, try the clip method for the key, it will totally make you forget you have it.

 

[eaglerugby04]

and what happens when your battery dies? or the watch shits the bed for another reason? ever go places without service or power, outdoorsmen type stuff, hunting etc. then come back to vehicle after 6 days backpacking in somewhere remote? what then?

I mean I wouldn't if I was going on a trip to the woods, but something down the street where I commonly forget to bring my wallet, ya that would be nice to not have the key.

So many components of the car are reliant on electronics there is no point fighting convience any more. like regardless of extra comforts it still is largely driven by computers anywyas.

 

[Delhux]

Seriously people, try the clip method for the key, it will totally make you forget you have it.

This. While I don’t use an actual clip, I just have my AirPods and fob connected via a ring which makes the whole thing fairly long. I end up with the fob hanging outside of my pocket and the rest of the “Keychain” in my pocket like an anchor. It has neverfallen out and it is always easy to reach to my side to lock/unlock if needed.

 

[Jt-wrx]

swampnut, do you have a router in your house? how bout wifi stereo speakers etc.?

do i need to say more? about how reliable this stuff is over the course of a year?

and we want this connected by thin air and batteries for our vehicles?

i'm all for progress and improving things, but some things are better off left without it, or at least continue the theme in the option line up for those of us trying to get less digital and more mechanical back into our lives, motor transportation is a great place to offer the simple mechanical line

 

[SwampNut]

swampnut, do you have a router in your house? how bout wifi stereo speakers etc.?

do i need to say more? about how reliable this stuff is over the course of a year?

and we want this connected by thin air and batteries for our vehicles?

Funny you ask, today I need to replace a 5-6 year old switch. My house is COVERED in routers, switches, and access points (62 total network devices). Which usually run far longer than their useful life. In fact, in tech, equipment just rarely fails any more. And this is cheap stuff, like a $50 switch for a house. Imagine how much better we can make electronics if there is more money put into it and it's required to live forever? In a week or two I will be removing a bunch of customer equipment that is over ten years old, just running fine, no issues. They are just closing that office. I will sell that stuff, and someone will buy it, and probably run it another decade.

I've been using keyless entry in the house and my office for over ten years. Zero issues. Our BMW with the proximity system is now nine years old, zero issues, it just works. Meanwhile I had a key stop working in my motorcycle because dirt got into the lock. And I've duplicated other keys that had started to wear out. Those are the real, known issues we should get rid of.

The "key" in the JK didn't really do anything. It was really just a skeuomorph to make people think they were in control. The "start" position merely told the computer "please go start my engine." You could NOT make the starter stay engaged, and you didn't have to hold it, just touch it and the computer takes over. It wasn't a key. They haven't been keys for a while. Let's stop pretending.

 

[Jt-wrx]

lol, i don't have that luck with tech equipment, sounds like your sharp with it, i have not had any issues with keyed equipment, i guess everyones mileage may vary, i'm constantly let down by tech, rarely by mechanical

 

[SwampNut]

Ok, not to give you a lot of crap, really, but... Isn't a consumer having problems with consumer-grade gear very different from a car maker using higher quality components that are fully integrated? How often does the fuel injection computer just up and fail?

 

[Jt-wrx]

well since you asked lol, you may have brought up the wrong vehicle to point that out, how many codes does my jeep trip on the daily, that rough idle, seems like it's missing etc., ya i've read the threads, so maybe it does give me grief maybe it doesn't, i'll have it looked at when i take it in next while they check over the clutch as apparently there is a warranty out on that too for heat and some pressure plates cracking causing other issues, again, not super worried about that either as i know how to drive standard and don't abuse the clutch offroad etc.

oh, and how bout my u-connect glitches that i won't really complain about, all of a sudden will power off, reboot and start again while i'm driving, once in awhile, mind of it's own, how some of the digits/letters seem to have some of the screen dead so are cut off etc...pretty typical technology stuff for me haha

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