Gladiator Burndown - Anyone We Know?

[Mad Dog]

How hard is it for jeep to admit they F***ed up and sourced the wrong clutch for the gladiators. Not to mention the manual transmission barely identifies as a manual.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Transmission = fine. It's not out of the realm of normal in modern vehicles.
Clutch = sucks. Any clutch that actually slips and gets hot is a wimpy clutch and should never be installed in a pickup of any type light duty or otherwise. Crawling up steep grades, hauling, etc. - a clutch should never slip and get hot. The only time a clutch should slip at all is during the time your foot is in contact with that pedal during shifts. Otherwise it should act as a solid connection.
The original clutch in my car went 160,000 miles and then I only replaced it because I swapped engines and had it all apart. It could have gone longer. There were no signs of slippage, no blue spots, no scoring.

 

[Barnaby’sdad]

How hard is it for jeep to admit they F***ed up and sourced the wrong clutch for the gladiators. Not to mention the manual transmission barely identifies as a manual.

Fight Club It’s a fictional movie (obviously), but the monologue covering recalls or lack there of on the plane comes to mind.

Having to handle a suit on occasion (assuming the owner doesn’t just opt to take the insurance payout and leave it at that) isn’t going to burden their legal department. It’s going to cost them far less money than a blanket recall.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Fight Club It’s a fictional movie (obviously), but the monologue covering recalls or lack there of on the plane comes to mind.

Having to handle a suit on occasion (assuming the owner doesn’t just opt to take the insurance payout and leave it at that) isn’t going to burden their legal department. It’s going to cost them far less money than a blanket recall.

That's the sad truth.
Attorneys are on staff already.

 

[Mad Dog]

Fight Club It’s a fictional movie (obviously), but the monologue covering recalls or lack there of on the plane comes to mind.

Having to handle a suit on occasion (assuming the owner doesn’t just opt to take the insurance payout and leave it at that) isn’t going to burden their legal department. It’s going to cost them far less money than a blanket recall.

I agree, from the bean counters point of view a small market share of manuals isn't enough to do anything but the minimum and lawyer up at first sign of a lawsuit. I had the fantasy of a company standing behind it's product and fixing it. Oh well soon we'll just be riding the autonomous driven vehicles with D, N and R as our only gear selections.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Ahh man.. That is devastating! Would insurance cover the trailer & its contents? Or does it purely depend on your riders?

Her business insurance would cover the trailer and contents.

 

[ecidiego]

The only Jeep where the batteries outlasted the Jeep?
Interesting as isn't the BCM which controls lighting in the right rear of the cabin area?

BCM is in passenger front kick panel.

 

[Firecop]

As a fire investigator it definitely didn't start in the engine compartment. The bed or below the rear portion of the cab is where I would start looking. Before we go with saying it was the clutch recall I would first like to see the aftermarket wiring in the truck if there is any. Did she have an inverter set up in the bed with a power supply?

I agree that you would have to rule out the clutch, but if the clutch came apart destructively enough to ignite the fire she would probably heard it since it would have had to get outside the bell housing.

I wouldn't begin to speculate as the cause of this fire without doing a complete vehicle examination. The video simply shows the lack of fire in the engine compartment. Normally, in an engine compartment fire it goes to oxygen which usually means the fire vents out of the grill or through the fender wells.

I hate it for the lady. I hope her business insurance covers the trailer and contents and her car insurance covers her Gladiator.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

As a fire investigator it definitely didn't start in the engine compartment. The bed or below the rear portion of the cab is where I would start looking. Before we go with saying it was the clutch recall I would first like to see the aftermarket wiring in the truck if there is any. Did she have an inverter set up in the bed with a power supply?

I agree that you would have to rule out the clutch, but if the clutch came apart destructively enough to ignite the fire she would probably heard it since it would have had to get outside the bell housing.

I wouldn't begin to speculate as the cause of this fire without doing a complete vehicle examination. The video simply shows the lack of fire in the engine compartment. Normally, in an engine compartment fire it goes to oxygen which usually means the fire vents out of the grill or through the fender wells.

I hate it for the lady. I hope her business insurance covers the trailer and contents and her car insurance covers her Gladiator.

And being a groomer - very possible to have power in the bed, inverter or otherwise.

True all that we know for a fact- it wasn't engine compartment. Fire seeks out oxygen as if it's alive.
It appears from the limited video - limited in time, size, and what it shows, is that it seems to be centered around the rear of the cab/front of the box. APPEARS to be.

 

[Justins_JT]

I know it could be anything but this was enough to finally get me to order a center force clutch.

 

[Alfonz]

I know it could be anything but this was enough to finally get me to order a center force clutch.

And an adequate fire extinguisher.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And an adequate fire extinguisher.

Of the proper type, and knowledge on how, when and where to use it - or not.

 

[FloridaMan655321]

I was at the dealership recently and they still don't have a fix on the recent clutch recall. So it wasn't like she was being lazy and didn't get the recall work done yet.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I was at the dealership recently and they still don't have a fix on the recent clutch recall. So it wasn't like she was being lazy and didn't get the recall work done yet.

We really don't know the whole story because there were two other recalls on it. Granted, it wasn't a total fix, but the way she wrote that was as if she'd ignored the prior notices.
It could have still happened if she had gone in the other two notices, but not doing either of those isn't a good reflection, either. Did she even try?
We don't know, likely never will.
There's a lot to this we don't know.
It's a sport with a MT - very low tow rating. How heavy was the trailer, how were things wired up, and much more.
So we can't really say if she had any fault in things or not. We can't say if it was clutch for sure or not.
But again, she talked as if she had done nothing about the prior notices on the clutch and was advising others to be sure and do something about it.
Then - it may have been electrical.......

 

[FloridaMan655321]

We really don't know the whole story because there were two other recalls on it. Granted, it wasn't a total fix, but the way she wrote that was as if she'd ignored the prior notices.
It could have still happened if she had gone in the other two notices, but not doing either of those isn't a good reflection, either. Did she even try?
We don't know, likely never will.
There's a lot to this we don't know.
It's a sport with a MT - very low tow rating. How heavy was the trailer, how were things wired up, and much more.
So we can't really say if she had any fault in things or not. We can't say if it was clutch for sure or not.
But again, she talked as if she had done nothing about the prior notices on the clutch and was advising others to be sure and do something about it.
Then - it may have been electrical.......

Possibly, but the first 2 were software only I believe. Of course, people will often get oil changes at the cheap places that won't check that type of stuff, so who knows. I kind of doubted from the beginning that a software change would actually fix the problem. I'm hopeful they are working on new hardware and finishing up with testing (just me hoping, probably will be let down)

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