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I know there are many threads on speaker upgrades and wiring... I am not trying to completely rehash or argue any of that..... But I did have a question(s)/situation, I thought maybe someone could help me out with.

This would relate to someone that has access to professional audio equipment or works in the industry, has NOT already upgraded their front upper dash/soundbar or someone that actually tested their soundbar speakers polarity BEFORE upgrading to new speakers.

What I'm doing:
I am replacing all four(4) of the 3-1/2" speakers in a 2022 JTRD with an upgraded Alpine system.

What I have done:
I replaced the front two(2) upper dash speakers. I thought I could go off of the wiring diagram being passed around on the JT/JL forums.... so I DID NOT do a polarity check(with a polarity checker/app) or note the orientation of the speaker wires prior to uninstalling the actual speakers. (wish that I would have). I did not need to "battery" test the new speakers because they were clearly marked + / -..... But I did need to figure out which wire from the head unit supplied the positive signal, so I use a multimeter to determine this. Based on my readings, it was opposite of the diagram floating around, so I had to revere the factory speaker wires to correlate with what my multimeter readings were.

What I am currently doing:
After it was suggested by another member, I downloaded a polarity app for Android (Polarity Checker) and used it to test the front upper dash speakers that I replaced. When testing using the app... they "POPPED" green ... which if I interrupt this correctly means they are wired with positive polarity. As reference, I also checked the kick panel knee speakers and they also "POPPED" green..... So in my mind even after switching the oem speaker wires , all four(4) speakers are wired with a positive polarity and are wire correctly.

What I need to do:
I still need to replace the rear soundbar 3-1/2 speakers.

My issue/question:
Issue: Using the polarity checker app, I tested each side of the rear soundbar. I noticed that the smaller 3-1/2" speakers both "POPPED" red and both of the 4" speakers "POPPED" green. This initially tells me that my soundbar is speakers are wired with "inverted polarity"..... So where the front 3-1/2" speakers really wired backwards ?? Or where they wired that way to match the soundbar speakers ?
Question: Can anyone confirm prior to making any changes to their system, what the polarity of the soundbar speakers are ? I know in some cases "inverted polarity" is desired. Is this the case with the Jeeps audio system ? Are the two enclosed speakers on each side of the soundbar reversed from the factory on purpose ? seems odd to me all four(4) of the 3-1/2" speakers would pop red and all four(4) of the larger 4" speakers would pop green unless designed to do so.
Thoughts ? Gets really confusion really quick !
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Using a multimeter to test audio signal polarity is pretty much useless, as audio is an AC, not DC signal. The whole idea of speaker polarity is to make sure the sound waves are in phase.
Running speakers out of phase will cause unusual nulls in the sound field.
As to your main question, I don’t have the Alpine system, but I did find I had to invert the polarity on all four of the smaller speakers.

Kevin
 

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I know there are many threads on speaker upgrades and wiring... I am not trying to completely rehash or argue any of that..... But I did have a question(s)/situation, I thought maybe someone could help me out with.

This would relate to someone that has access to professional audio equipment or works in the industry, has NOT already upgraded their front upper dash/soundbar or someone that actually tested their soundbar speakers polarity BEFORE upgrading to new speakers.

What I'm doing:
I am replacing all four(4) of the 3-1/2" speakers in a 2022 JTRD with an upgraded Alpine system.

What I have done:
I replaced the front two(2) upper dash speakers. I thought I could go off of the wiring diagram being passed around on the JT/JL forums.... so I DID NOT do a polarity check(with a polarity checker/app) or note the orientation of the speaker wires prior to uninstalling the actual speakers. (wish that I would have). I did not need to "battery" test the new speakers because they were clearly marked + / -..... But I did need to figure out which wire from the head unit supplied the positive signal, so I use a multimeter to determine this. Based on my readings, it was opposite of the diagram floating around, so I had to revere the factory speaker wires to correlate with what my multimeter readings were.

What I am currently doing:
After it was suggested by another member, I downloaded a polarity app for Android (Polarity Checker) and used it to test the front upper dash speakers that I replaced. When testing using the app... they "POPPED" green ... which if I interrupt this correctly means they are wired with positive polarity. As reference, I also checked the kick panel knee speakers and they also "POPPED" green..... So in my mind even after switching the oem speaker wires , all four(4) speakers are wired with a positive polarity and are wire correctly.

What I need to do:
I still need to replace the rear soundbar 3-1/2 speakers.

My issue/question:
Issue: Using the polarity checker app, I tested each side of the rear soundbar. I noticed that the smaller 3-1/2" speakers both "POPPED" red and both of the 4" speakers "POPPED" green. This initially tells me that my soundbar is speakers are wired with "inverted polarity"..... So where the front 3-1/2" speakers really wired backwards ?? Or where they wired that way to match the soundbar speakers ?
Question: Can anyone confirm prior to making any changes to their system, what the polarity of the soundbar speakers are ? I know in some cases "inverted polarity" is desired. Is this the case with the Jeeps audio system ? Are the two enclosed speakers on each side of the soundbar reversed from the factory on purpose ? seems odd to me all four(4) of the 3-1/2" speakers would pop red and all four(4) of the larger 4" speakers would pop green unless designed to do so.
Thoughts ? Gets really confusion really quick !
I just did a speaker swap 2 Weeks ago to the front 3.5's with the correct speaker harness adaptors: https://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-eXce...5c-9c42-f71e9fdc72a1&pd_rd_i=B07Y2FTW4L&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/72-7902-Spea...s&sprefix=Metra+72-7902,electronics,58&sr=1-3

And in the rear sound bar: https://www.amazon.com/MTX-Audio-TH...fb-b053-3b541a1437eb&pd_rd_i=B00IYKCB00&psc=1

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_6633JLJTAE/Select-Increments-JLJT-Pods.html

So everything was plug and play I never checked polarity since it was plug and play but it sounds 100 times better than the factory set up and I have the 8.4" Alpine system. So I'm very pleased for the way it sounds especially for the added bass, and the volume is louder by a little bit :)
 

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All this wiring has me wondering, I just replaced my dash speakers with a set of Rockfords and used the gray\orange and gray\dark green as my positives from that diagram. Now I'm questioning if I did it right.......
 

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All this wiring has me wondering, I just replaced my dash speakers with a set of Rockfords and used the gray\orange and gray\dark green as my positives from that diagram. Now I'm questioning if I did it right.......
Did you use the correct speaker wiring harness for the location of the speakers, Crutchfield.com is very handy to find what fits to your current vehicle.
 

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Did you use the correct speaker wiring harness for the location of the speakers, Crutchfield.com is very handy to find what fits to your current vehicle.
I cut off the OEM and put the new ones on. Easy to change around just a PITA to do it.
 
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All this wiring has me wondering, I just replaced my dash speakers with a set of Rockfords and used the gray\orange and gray\dark green as my positives from that diagram. Now I'm questioning if I did it right.......
Several people including myself have been reversed. Also , I had to switch the white/black wires from the metra adapters. (72-7902)... white to positive, black to negative in order to match the large/+ and small/-spade connectors.
 

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Question: Can anyone confirm prior to making any changes to their system, what the polarity of the soundbar speakers are ? I know in some cases "inverted polarity" is desired. Is this the case with the Jeeps audio system ? Are the two enclosed speakers on each side of the soundbar reversed from the factory on purpose ? seems odd to me all four(4) of the 3-1/2" speakers would pop red and all four(4) of the larger 4" speakers would pop green unless designed to do so.
Thoughts ? Gets really confusion really quick !
Just to give you specifically what you asked... I used the Polarity Checker app with mine: factory 8.4" with factory speakers.

I had to use bluetooth because I don't have a USB-C -> 3.5mm audio cable. But, there is a delay in the BT signal I've noticed.

The dash speakers (upper and lower) all popped RED (I think because of the delay)

The soundbar speakers ALSO all popped RED.

So, to me this says they are all in the same "phase" and you should be seeing the same on all speakers (either all RED or all GREEN).

Hope that helps!
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