Serious question from a first time Jeep Owner

[ShadowsPapa]

Really? why do you think it is called a "ricer" if it applied to vehicle and not people? Do vehicles eat rice?

Because they come from Asia - where rice comes from. It's referring to the cars, the people who drive them are young Americans, usually European ancestry. At least those I know.
We used the term because they were cars from Asia - associated with rice grown there.

I guess I'd call Mercedes beer cars, Fiat - pizza cars?

And other countries rightfully can call our cars porkers.

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[SleepyJeep]

Because they come from Asia - where rice comes from. It's referring to the cars, the people who drive them are young Americans, usually European ancestry. At least those I know.
We used the term because they were cars from Asia - associated with rice grown there.

I guess I'd call Mercedes beer cars, Fiat - pizza cars?

And other countries rightfully can call our cars porkers.

Did you read my link from an earlier post? Here it is again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

People who disagree on this need to stop for a minute and look at it from the other person's perspective, these kind of stereotypes are never done from a place/geography, it is always against people. This reminds me of a story at work where this lady kept referring to asians as "Orientals" even after I corrected her saying it is not proper to call them "Orientals" anymore cuz that word is offensive towards asian people even though "Oriental" just means east. Sure Oriental means east, Occidental means west but the thing you fail to realize is that it once again marginalizes the individual and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive if you don't treat a person for based on who they are and their character as opposed to some generic stereotype of a collective group. I just gave up and told her that she can use whatever terms she wants cuz if she doesn't want to change even after the group she was referring to claimed that the word was offensive and if you insist on using it then go ahead it just proves your ignorance. for the record, I am not Asian American. But, do you ever wonder why only non-white ethnic groups are always hyphenated Americans but not white ppl?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Did you read my link from an earlier post? Here it is again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

People who disagree on this need to stop for a minute and look at it from the other person's perspective, these kind of stereotypes are never done from a place/geography, it is always against people. This reminds me of a story at work where this lady kept referring to asians as "Orientals" even after I corrected her saying it is not proper to call them "Orientals" anymore cuz that word is offensive towards asian people even though "Oriental" just means east. Sure Oriental means east, Occidental means west but the thing you fail to realize is that it once again marginalizes the individual and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive if you don't treat a person for based on who they are and their character as opposed to some generic stereotype of a collective group. I just gave up and told her that she can use whatever terms she wants cuz if she doesn't want to change even after the group she was referring to claimed that the word was offensive and if you insist on using it then go ahead it just proves your ignorance. for the record, I am not Asian American. But, do you ever wonder why only non-white ethnic groups are always hyphenated Americans but not white ppl?

Sometimes the people have been TOLD it's offensive and they should be upset.
There are so many things going on these days - often it's "white people" telling the others they should be upset, not the other way around. It happens.

There's the case of all of these white people telling Native Americans they should be offended at a school using their name on the football team, it's offensive, insist they stop it!
And the reaction from the Native Americans? Fine with us - but we ask one thing - they offer a course teaching people who we are and about our customs and ways.
They didn't find the name offensive. The whites did.

We attended a "diversity class" at PFG. One person in the group was going on and on using the race card on and on - others of her race in that room actually told her to shut up, she was bringing it on herself.
After the class, a group of us walked between buildings on to our next assignments - and one of my friends asked another of our friends - Ollie, what do you think of all this. His responses was that it was BS - he said "I am no more African than you are, I am an American man". He continued "I am black, no shame in that, you are white, so what, call me a black man, I'm not African-American".
I'll never forget his words - or the others in that room calling out the whiner because no one was actually offending her or being nasty to her.

So........
It seems to me that it's when people use the words to define a person that it's a problem.

As long as people use the words to HURT others, or define them, we'll keep losing our ability to use more and more words.

Just some other points of view out there.

 

[KAT$JT]

I agree with everything except "Mall crawler tends to denote a feminine vehicle - like a soccer mom might drive."

IMO Vehicles are vehicles - there is no such thing as a feminine vehicle or a masculine vehicle, these are just norms laid upon by a bunch of ppl but doesn't hold water. I used to drive a Miata as a second car which was an amazing affordable convertible roadster for me and had a lot of fun with it and the girls loved it but my guy friends used to make fun of me saying it was a chick car but that didn't make me any less masculine :P, I just met more girls who loved the car if you catch my drift!

I had a couple of Miata's over the years, a NB and then a NC (took plenty of crap from the guys) Once I had more than one kid, practicality had to win.... But those cars have a very high fun factor and will be in my future again.

 

[SleepyJeep]

Sometimes the people have been TOLD it's offensive and they should be upset.
There are so many things going on these days - often it's "white people" telling the others they should be upset, not the other way around. It happens.

There's the case of all of these white people telling Native Americans they should be offended at a school using their name on the football team, it's offensive, insist they stop it!
And the reaction from the Native Americans? Fine with us - but we ask one thing - they offer a course teaching people who we are and about our customs and ways.
They didn't find the name offensive. The whites did.

We attended a "diversity class" at PFG. One person in the group was going on and on using the race card on and on - others of her race in that room actually told her to shut up, she was bringing it on herself.
After the class, a group of us walked between buildings on to our next assignments - and one of my friends asked another of our friends - Ollie, what do you think of all this. His responses was that it was BS - he said "I am no more African than you are, I am an American man". He continued "I am black, no shame in that, you are white, so what, call me a black man, I'm not African-American".
I'll never forget his words - or the others in that room calling out the whiner because no one was actually offending her or being nasty to her.

So........
It seems to me that it's when people use the words to define a person that it's a problem.

As long as people use the words to HURT others, or define them, we'll keep losing our ability to use more and more words.

Just some other points of view out there.

Exactly, here is why I really like Morgan Freeman although he hit on my friend's fiance in the Caribbean which was totally not cool LOL:

 

[MarineHawk]

People who disagree on this need to stop for a minute and look at it from the other person's perspective, these kind of stereotypes are never done from a place/geography, it is always against people. This reminds me of a story at work where this lady kept referring to asians as "Orientals" even after I corrected her saying it is not proper to call them "Orientals" anymore cuz that word is offensive towards asian people even though "Oriental" just means east. Sure Oriental means east, Occidental means west but the thing you fail to realize is that it once again marginalizes the individual and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive if you don't treat a person for based on who they are and their character as opposed to some generic stereotype of a collective group. I just gave up and told her that she can use whatever terms she wants cuz if she doesn't want to change even after the group she was referring to claimed that the word was offensive and if you insist on using it then go ahead it just proves your ignorance. for the record, I am not Asian American. But, do you ever wonder why only non-white ethnic groups are always hyphenated Americans but not white ppl?

How ridiculous and uninformed are you? Asia likely comes from the Assyrian term “Asu,” which means “East.” You are such a racist, using the term "Asian." Look in the mirror. How wise you thought you were condemning someone using the term "Oriental" because it means "east," while you, much more humanely, used the term "Asian," which means eastern. So much wiser, humane, and intellectual are you.

Did you read my link from an earlier post? Here it is again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

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“‘Rice-burner’ appeared in the British motorcycling magazine The Motor Cycle in 1966 as a generally disparaging term for Japanese motorcycles. … It continued to appear in US publications through the 2002 to as a put-down for Japanese and other Asian cars.”

So, it is not racist, but “motorcyclist” or “carist”? How ridiculous is your outrage when you don't even know the origin of the own terms you use. If I say that someone "East" of me made a good campfire, am I being "Racist"?

So "Nordic" is racist too? It means northern. What about people from "North American" countries? That's racist too because it "it once again marginalizes the individual and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive," as you say. How more ridiculous and ignorant could you be? According to you, "Asian vehicles" would be a racist term because it describes a "broad [geographical] category" of vehicles. How ridiculous. I've never heard of the term "ricer" referring to a person, but rather only vehicles made in "Asia," a term for which, by your own standards, you are racist for using. Snowflake.

"Made in America" also likewise is "racist" according to your warped snowflake view because "it once again marginalizes the individual [who makes things] and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive," as you say. Silly is your preaching, condescending, and ignorant world view.

 

[MarineHawk]

But, do you ever wonder why only non-white ethnic groups are always hyphenated Americans but not white ppl?

They weren’t at all until about 30 years ago, when the stupid politically-correct B.S. movement, of which you are an obvious proponent and student, began. Before, people were just described people logically and characteristically without, by merely doing so, any racism. Seriously answer this question: What do you call a black man you see in Charles De Gaulle Airport in Paris? “African-American”? “African-French”? “African”? Of course, he might not be any of those things. But he is black. Could be, for example, an Aborigine from Australian lineage. Hyphenated stupidity is fairly recent and created by people like you.

 

[Blisskiss]

It is correct for our species, together with many others, to group things into millions of classifications to help organize information into stored data in our brains, which makes up knowledge, which can be recalled and implemented into the very behavioral functions that connect us animals. To say that such an instinctual function is a sin is blasphemy, and confusion of the true divine law. That is to treat others as best as anyone ever could, even better than a God could treat his/her offspring, or to treat others even as brothers and sisters of a divine lineage spanding the eternities. An existence where there is time without measure, people without limits, love and unity without end.

 

[Oilburner]

Uh-oh does that mean my username offends people from oil-producing countries? Oh Noze!

Folks have the right to be offended but I wouldn’t want anyone to be offended for me, much less make it a life obsession like so many do. Mind your business.

 

[KVJ]

.From Sleepyjeeps reference to Wikipedia: By the 1970s, rice burner was a US English slang term for the Vietnamese people during and after the Vietnam War.

I was there at that time and never ever heard the the Vietnamese referenced to like that. It was a time we were trying to kill each other and I won't repeat what we actually called them.

 

[ThirtyOne]

I’m Not offended by it but do people really think ricer is not derogatory?

Calling someone a rice-eater because they are asian is a slur. This term derived from that.

Where I’m from in the South in the 70s if someone added a bunch of cheap flashy mods to a car people called that n****erd up (yes - using the N word). That is offensive. Even if it refers to the car and not the person. This is basically the same thing.

Most asian people probably don’t care if you call a car a ricer, but don’t be intentionally ignorant about its origin.

 

[futzin']

I’m Not offended by it but do people really think ricer is not derogatory?

Yes, they do. It isn't a term I would use, but I sorta get the disagreement. Some simply see it as geographical, but not derogatory toward a person/people. And they strongly believe the derision of the car/bike/truck shouldn't result in a person being offended by the term. I mildly disagree, but that's me.

I despise political correctness but this one is not as cut-and-dried as many are.

I say we carry on. Happy weekend to all.

 

[Gladiator4Runner]

I'm so offended that everyone is offended. Thank God (can I say that?) I can go to my "crying closet" and blubber away all my "guilt" that was bestowed upon me by people who know nothing about me or my character.

Those same people are the ones who are actually winning because they are making us fight against each other. WAKE THE F UP! It is so obvious! And so many people fall for it. It's sad really.

I propose that every vehicle ever made from this day forward shall be both color safe neutral and non-binary.
They will all be Primer gray (like the proposed color for the state flag of Alabama per Larry the Cable Guy) and shall be called Ze or Zir.

And last but not least no person shall ever again have a sense of humor or it will make me sad.

 

[SleepyJeep]

How ridiculous and uninformed are you? Asia likely comes from the Assyrian term “Asu,” which means “East.” You are such a racist, using the term "Asian." Look in the mirror. How wise you thought you were condemning someone using the term "Oriental" because it means "east," while you, much more humanely, used the term "Asian," which means eastern. So much wiser, humane, and intellectual are you.

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“‘Rice-burner’ appeared in the British motorcycling magazine The Motor Cycle in 1966 as a generally disparaging term for Japanese motorcycles. … It continued to appear in US publications through the 2002 to as a put-down for Japanese and other Asian cars.”

So, it is not racist, but “motorcyclist” or “carist”? How ridiculous is your outrage when you don't even know the origin of the own terms you use. If I say that someone "East" of me made a good campfire, am I being "Racist"?

So "Nordic" is racist too? It means northern. What about people from "North American" countries? That's racist too because it "it once again marginalizes the individual and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive," as you say. How more ridiculous and ignorant could you be? According to you, "Asian vehicles" would be a racist term because it describes a "broad [geographical] category" of vehicles. How ridiculous. I've never heard of the term "ricer" referring to a person, but rather only vehicles made in "Asia," a term for which, by your own standards, you are racist for using. Snowflake.

"Made in America" also likewise is "racist" according to your warped snowflake view because "it once again marginalizes the individual [who makes things] and lumps them as some broad category which is quite offensive," as you say. Silly is your preaching, condescending, and ignorant world view.

You completely misunderstood my objection of the word "Oriental" - What I was meaning to say was that the term was loaded even when the literal meaning was harmless and it had more connotations based on experience imparted from others in the American society. It is not about PC culture and other rants and attacks at my humanity and intellectualism. If you can continue the discussion without the personal attacks go for it otherwise keep ranting Idc LOL. As I said before, if the community that is being offended tells you that particular term is offensive then that is enough for me to not use the word and I don't try to rationalize it any further. THe "asian"community said that the word "Oriental" is offensive to them and to use "Asian" instead and I was fine with that - it is called societal evolution and trying to hold on to some old ways cuz that is how it was before. There is a reason the word "Oriental" along with the N-word is not allowed in any federal documents in the US since June 1 2016 and yes that law was passed.

 

[SleepyJeep]

They weren’t at all until about 30 years ago, when the stupid politically-correct B.S. movement, of which you are an obvious proponent and student, began. Before, people were just described people logically and characteristically without, by merely doing so, any racism. Seriously answer this question: What do you call a black man you see in Charles De Gaulle Airport in Paris? “African-American”? “African-French”? “African”? Of course, he might not be any of those things. But he is black. Could be, for example, an Aborigine from Australian lineage. Hyphenated stupidity is fairly recent and created by people like you.

What is with the outrage and attack on me dude saying something was created by me? LOL You don't even know me and yet here you are feeling comfortable calling me names and attacking me. I am not part of the outrage culture - this has nothing to do with outrage culture. It is something as simple as a community asking for a word not to be used and the rest of the people in the community adhering to it. That's it. LOL

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