Smacked a curb need advise

[ShadowsPapa]

So that's what this place is - The high school lunch room to see who the most popular is? Son of Mark Zuckerberg - it's all about LIKES and like to post ratio. You can guess who I am and my experiences and what I post by likes? OK.
I don't live for likes, I never wanted to be prom king - or can a person even use a noun like 'king' these days?

You want a fast, simple answer you like - such as "replace this and it will be fine".
I can't do because no one knows the speed, the angle, the direction of your wheels, height of curb and other factors and no one can SEE your vehicle. (but if you lived close I would have actually invited you to bring it by and I'd take a look)
I've hit a curb with a Jeep and only busted the wheel, nothing else was hurt. I've also been hit in the front wheel by another vehicle and it bent the STEERING KNUCKLE, and I hit a pothole (actually a construction area they didn't mark or cover) and snapped the INSIDE END of an axle INSIDE THE GEAR in the carrier! WOW!) - so who knows without LOOKING.

I can't see the parts - no one can. (but in the bigger world, arm-chair psychologists are always trying to diagnose the health of our government people based on media clips and Twitter posts. Nancy is feeble, Hillary is dying, you name it.)
I've got over 45 years of automotive experience, I have a college degree and 4.0 gpa in college - I had to work my way through college - doing tons of alignment and suspension work and brakes. That's the experience-based help I would have offered. Anyone suggesting to replace parts x or y may not be doing you any favors unless they are really damned good. (or lucky)

About forums and posts - I run a large automotive forum with over 10,000 members world-wide and get more people asking me for advice and help than I can deal with in a week. (I also have several dozen things to restore for others because my work is second to none in auto-electric restoration)
We don't do likes because we don't want it becoming a popularity contest over there. People can be thanked and moderators (or me, the admin) can mark a post as "correct answer".
Now this post will not get any likes because yes, it IS a rant! I admit it.

Why would my first post in this thread have been a rant - it was mostly posted in hopes to prevent worse problems by someone taking the simple way out and just starting to pop parts in place. OR - it may SEEM like that, too, because I do have severe ADHD - we love what we like, we hate what we don't like and have no social filter - just check out the stuff Patrick McKenna has pulled........

Good luck with your Jeep.

OK, this WAS a rant
</end rant>

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[RH 67]

So that's what this place is - The high school lunch room to see who the most popular is? Son of Mark Zuckerberg - it's all about LIKES and like to post ratio. You can guess who I am and my experiences and what I post by likes? OK.
I don't live for likes, I never wanted to be prom king - or can a person even use a noun like 'king' these days?

You want a fast, simple answer you like - such as "replace this and it will be fine".
I can't do because no one knows the speed, the angle, the direction of your wheels, height of curb and other factors and no one can SEE your vehicle. (but if you lived close I would have actually invited you to bring it by and I'd take a look)
I've hit a curb with a Jeep and only busted the wheel, nothing else was hurt. I've also been hit in the front wheel by another vehicle and it bent the STEERING KNUCKLE, and I hit a pothole (actually a construction area they didn't mark or cover) and snapped the INSIDE END of an axle INSIDE THE GEAR in the carrier! WOW!) - so who knows without LOOKING.

I can't see the parts - no one can. (but in the bigger world, arm-chair psychologists are always trying to diagnose the health of our government people based on media clips and Twitter posts. Nancy is feeble, Hillary is dying, you name it.)
I've got over 45 years of automotive experience, I have a college degree and 4.0 gpa in college - I had to work my way through college - doing tons of alignment and suspension work and brakes. That's the experience-based help I would have offered. Anyone suggesting to replace parts x or y may not be doing you any favors unless they are really damned good. (or lucky)

About forums and posts - I run a large automotive forum with over 10,000 members world-wide and get more people asking me for advice and help than I can deal with in a week. (I also have several dozen things to restore for others because my work is second to none in auto-electric restoration)
We don't do likes because we don't want it becoming a popularity contest over there. People can be thanked and moderators (or me, the admin) can mark a post as "correct answer".
Now this post will not get any likes because yes, it IS a rant! I admit it.

Why would my first post in this thread have been a rant - it was mostly posted in hopes to prevent worse problems by someone taking the simple way out and just starting to pop parts in place. OR - it may SEEM like that, too, because I do have severe ADHD - we love what we like, we hate what we don't like and have no social filter - just check out the stuff Patrick McKenna has pulled........

Good luck with your Jeep.

OK, this WAS a rant
</end rant>

I believe the OP was trying to find out if anyone had experienced the same thing, seems that`s what forums are for. It`s up to each individual to judge on their own as to what they read. I have experienced what the OP has related in this thread i was in the desert in a sandwash and hit a rock that was covered by the sand and bent my track bar the out come was as the OP has encountered. Most Jeep people like to do work on their own and i do not see any thing wrong with asking for advice or help, a forum can be like another set of eyes.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I agree - but about all they can get is the first thing to look at - there may be other things as in this case the impact was likely a different sort. The track bar may be the most likely, first thing to check - but it won't be the only thing to check regardless of how it seems later as that sort of impact can bend many things.
I found out how bad one of my vehicles was when I tried to take a sharp curve at high speed and found the toe-out on turns was so far out the thing nearly launched off the road. It was corrected as far as camber, caster and toe in general but when on a really sharp turn - which admittedly the TOOT was not checked, I thought it was the end..................
There are common things - but in the end, every impact is different - were the wheels straight ahead or turned? Was it a head-on into the curb or more of a sideways slip into it.
It would be wise when all is said and done to look well beyond the simple trackbar.

 

[Sorbs]

I believe the OP was trying to find out if anyone had experienced the same thing, seems that`s what forums are for. It`s up to each individual to judge on their own as to what they read. I have experienced what the OP has related in this thread i was in the desert in a sandwash and hit a rock that was covered by the sand and bent my track bar the out come was as the OP has encountered. Most Jeep people like to do work on their own and i do not see any thing wrong with asking for advice or help, a forum can be like another set of eyes.

Bingo, RH!

Some of us are here to help others, and some like to throw opinions, like Molotov cocktails and offer no help.

 

[Sorbs]

Have you disconnected the track bar to see if it self centers?

Disconnected track bar and now the axle is centered. Thanks for the tip!

 

[RH 67]

Disconnected track bar and now the axle is centered. Thanks for the tip!

No problem.

 

[Renegade]

So that's what this place is - The high school lunch room to see who the most popular is? Son of Mark Zuckerberg - it's all about LIKES and like to post ratio. You can guess who I am and my experiences and what I post by likes? OK.
I don't live for likes, I never wanted to be prom king - or can a person even use a noun like 'king' these days?

You want a fast, simple answer you like - such as "replace this and it will be fine".
I can't do because no one knows the speed, the angle, the direction of your wheels, height of curb and other factors and no one can SEE your vehicle. (but if you lived close I would have actually invited you to bring it by and I'd take a look)
I've hit a curb with a Jeep and only busted the wheel, nothing else was hurt. I've also been hit in the front wheel by another vehicle and it bent the STEERING KNUCKLE, and I hit a pothole (actually a construction area they didn't mark or cover) and snapped the INSIDE END of an axle INSIDE THE GEAR in the carrier! WOW!) - so who knows without LOOKING.

I can't see the parts - no one can. (but in the bigger world, arm-chair psychologists are always trying to diagnose the health of our government people based on media clips and Twitter posts. Nancy is feeble, Hillary is dying, you name it.)
I've got over 45 years of automotive experience, I have a college degree and 4.0 gpa in college - I had to work my way through college - doing tons of alignment and suspension work and brakes. That's the experience-based help I would have offered. Anyone suggesting to replace parts x or y may not be doing you any favors unless they are really damned good. (or lucky)

About forums and posts - I run a large automotive forum with over 10,000 members world-wide and get more people asking me for advice and help than I can deal with in a week. (I also have several dozen things to restore for others because my work is second to none in auto-electric restoration)
We don't do likes because we don't want it becoming a popularity contest over there. People can be thanked and moderators (or me, the admin) can mark a post as "correct answer".
Now this post will not get any likes because yes, it IS a rant! I admit it.

Why would my first post in this thread have been a rant - it was mostly posted in hopes to prevent worse problems by someone taking the simple way out and just starting to pop parts in place. OR - it may SEEM like that, too, because I do have severe ADHD - we love what we like, we hate what we don't like and have no social filter - just check out the stuff Patrick McKenna has pulled........

Good luck with your Jeep.

OK, this WAS a rant
</end rant>

Whatever Francis...

 

[FL Handle Guy]

Bingo, RH!

Some of us are here to help others, and some like to throw opinions, like Molotov cocktails and offer no help.

I think you were given information and help. He told you to do more than just throw parts at it. You could have bent or damaged your axle tube, steering knuckles, axle Cs, LCA mounts, UCA mounts, trackbar mounts, steering box, drag link, tie rod, trackbar, or even internal components. The brackets could look fine but still be out of spec. If you mess it up you could end up driving like this

You were advised to check the TooT (toe out on turns) and SAI (steering axis inclination), below are a couple links to read up on.
http://constructionmanuals.tpub.com/14273/css/Toe-Out-On-Turns-337.htm

 

[Chance_P]

If the axle is not centered then either track bar bracket or the bar is damaged. Period.

 

[Sorbs]

The stock JT tie rod, track bar, and draglink are made of aluminum. The good news is they bend so the expensive parts are protected from damage when you smack a curb. The bad news is they bend and they're one-time use items.

The best news is you can replace the OEM stuff with a Synergy HD steering kit and a Steersmarts Yeti trackbar and it makes for a much better frontend. Tracks straight, smooth and confidence-inspiring. If you're really feeling adventurous you can also add a Synergy track bar and sector shaft brace and eliminate steering box wobble too.

All fixed. Thank you for those who offered the tips!

 

[smoverland]

The stock JT tie rod, track bar, and draglink are made of aluminum. The good news is they bend so the expensive parts are protected from damage when you smack a curb. The bad news is they bend and they're one-time use items.

The best news is you can replace the OEM stuff with a Synergy HD steering kit and a Steersmarts Yeti trackbar and it makes for a much better frontend. Tracks straight, smooth and confidence-inspiring. If you're really feeling adventurous you can also add a Synergy track bar and sector shaft brace and eliminate steering box wobble too.

All fixed. Thank you for those who offered the tips!

Synergy is the way to go! Glad you got it worked out

 

[RH 67]

The stock JT tie rod, track bar, and draglink are made of aluminum. The good news is they bend so the expensive parts are protected from damage when you smack a curb. The bad news is they bend and they're one-time use items.

The best news is you can replace the OEM stuff with a Synergy HD steering kit and a Steersmarts Yeti trackbar and it makes for a much better frontend. Tracks straight, smooth and confidence-inspiring. If you're really feeling adventurous you can also add a Synergy track bar and sector shaft brace and eliminate steering box wobble too.

All fixed. Thank you for those who offered the tips!

WOW! Looking good and congrats on getting it sorted.

 

[Renegade]

The stock JT tie rod, track bar, and draglink are made of aluminum. The good news is they bend so the expensive parts are protected from damage when you smack a curb. The bad news is they bend and they're one-time use items.

The best news is you can replace the OEM stuff with a Synergy HD steering kit and a Steersmarts Yeti trackbar and it makes for a much better frontend. Tracks straight, smooth and confidence-inspiring. If you're really feeling adventurous you can also add a Synergy track bar and sector shaft brace and eliminate steering box wobble too.

All fixed. Thank you for those who offered the tips!

This is false. The tie rod, drag link, and track bar are all steel.

 

[Sorbs]

This is false. The tie rod, drag link, and track bar are all steel.

They are hollow, the ends are aluminum. Weak.

 

[Renegade]

They are hollow, the ends are aluminum. Weak.

They are indeed hollow steel tubing. The ends are cast iron. The outer knuckles of the axles are aluminum.

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