So what about those factory V8 Gladiator rumors?

[ZoMojave]

Will the EV market evolve, sure - but over time (and the current technology is not the answer). Doesn't seem like our govmnt is giving it much of a choice as it is picking it as the only option. But even the timelines quoted above mean that there will be a TON of ICE powered cars for the foreseeable future even though the execs get the best press talking about the 'future'.

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[Teqsand]

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Having driven multiples of both nothing will ever replace the snap of a Jeep i6 for my wheeling preferences.

Drive the diesel, plenty of snap for wheeling

 

[Teqsand]

Well we agree then on our trucks.

What does that have to do with a BEV??

It means If forced into the not ready BS Ev crap, I won't risk my electrical system to recharge yours....

 

[XJFanatic]

Drive the diesel, plenty of snap for wheeling

I don’t disagree. But it comes with the premium up front, fuel, maintenance and weight costs.

If diesels didn’t have all the emissions crap these days it would be a no brainer. The reliability of a mechanical injected Cummins 4bt would be amazing in an overlanding rig.

 

[Teqsand]

EV crap isn't ready for prime time, it makes a small bit of sense in the dense urban areas but only in small quantities, the grid in most places (like smognaziland liberalfornia) simply could not possible handle the load, cali even told people af one point to avoid charging the cars and there isn't. 0001% of them on the road..

This is being forced well ahead of the natural development or consideration of how will actually work.... wanna bet the govt won't like the top 5 taxpayers (all oil co's) no longer footing the bills, well someone will have to feed that appetite for tax money and you can only ask the rich for ther "fair share" only until you're taking 100% of it..

 

[Teqsand]

I don’t disagree. But it comes with the premium up front, fuel, maintenance and weight costs.

If diesels didn’t have all the emissions crap these days it would be a no brainer. The reliability of a mechanical injected Cummins 4bt would be amazing in an overlanding rig.

None of what you mentioned affects the wheeling torque... it's there and I enjoy it

 

[dcmdon]

None of what you mentioned affects the wheeling torque... it's there and I enjoy it

Wheeling torque is the easiest thing to achieve. You could have a 150 hp 3 cylinder and with the right gearing, there would be plenty of torque.

Where our trucks lack is in power. Torque times speed. In other words the ability to easily maintain and gain speed on the highway. If you aren't afraid to put your foot into it, the Gladiator scoots right along in town. But on the highway, no amount of 6500 rpm flogging makes it go fast.

 

[Teqsand]

Wheeling torque is the easiest thing to achieve. You could have a 150 hp 3 cylinder and with the right gearing, there would be plenty of torque.

Where our trucks lack is in power. Torque times speed. In other words the ability to easily maintain and gain speed on the highway. If you aren't afraid to put your foot into it, the Gladiator scoots right along in town. But on the highway, no amount of 6500 rpm flogging makes it go fast.

Never see 6500, 2k at best and she rolls right along on 37's, plenty of power....

 

[dcmdon]

EV crap isn't ready for prime time, it makes a small bit of sense in the dense urban areas but only in small quantities, the grid in most places (like smognaziland liberalfornia) simply could not possible handle the load, cali even told people af one point to avoid charging the cars and there isn't. 0001% of them on the road..

This is being forced well ahead of the natural development or consideration of how will actually work.... wanna bet the govt won't like the top 5 taxpayers (all oil co's) no longer footing the bills, well someone will have to feed that appetite for tax money and you can only ask the rich for ther "fair share" only until you're taking 100% of it..

So we agree that it won't work in hard rural areas.

Where we disagree is in the vast middle where 70% of America lives. The suburbs. IMHO, a BEV works BETTER in the burbs than in the city. Because suburban people are more likely to have a garage that they can charge overnight in.

Charging a BEV if you dont' have a garage is a nightmare now. It will get better. But I'd never own one unless I could plug it in overnight.

In pretty much all suburban use cases it works flawlessly. Better even than gas. because you don't ever have to go to a gas station. . . . right up until the family wants to take a car trip.

Which doesn't work now. Despite what many people say, it takes planning and a willingness to sit around for hours if you want to bring a BEV on a road trip.

Which brings me back to 3 things I've said 10 times.

1) A plug in hybrid is really where its at given the current state of the art. Battery around town. Gas on the road. Great fuel economy, lots of power. It can run exclusively on electricity or exclusively on gas. Totally flexible.

2) BEVs won't be a real replacement until :
A- you can charge one in 10 minutes.
B - you can find a charging station as easily as you can find a gas station.

But all that vast middle ground. Driving to work and returning to the garage at night, a BEV works great.

 

[XJFanatic]

Honestly the key to all this discussion is can we get a motor that has power and is an affordable option. I an hopeful the 3.0TT finds its way into that category the way the 2.0T did on the JL.

The JT should have had something like that from the start as it’s “base” motor.

 

[Teqsand]

So we agree that it won't work in hard rural areas.

Where we disagree is in the vast middle where 70% of America lives. The suburbs. IMHO, a BEV works BETTER in the burbs than in the city. Because suburban people are more likely to have a garage that they can charge overnight in.

Charging a BEV if you dont' have a garage is a nightmare now. It will get better. But I'd never own one unless I could plug it in overnight.

In pretty much all suburban use cases it works flawlessly. Better even than gas. because you don't ever have to go to a gas station. . . . right up until the family wants to take a car trip.

Which doesn't work now. Despite what many people say, it takes planning and a willingness to sit around for hours if you want to bring a BEV on a road trip.

Which brings me back to 3 things I've said 10 times.

1) A plug in hybrid is really where its at given the current state of the art. Battery around town. Electric on the road. Great fuel economy, lots of power. It can run exclusively on electricity or exclusively on gas. Totally flexible.

2) BEVs won't be a real replacement until :
A- you can charge one in 10 minutes.
B - you can find a charging station as easily as you can find a gas station.

But all that vast middle ground. Driving to work and returning to the garage at night, a BEV works great.

But this is a jeep site, the vehicle we choose to get out of the urban area for a reason....

And we haven't even touched on the green fallacy of it EV.... it's being artificially forced before being thought out completely and makes one wonder why....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

 

[Wageslave]

Jeeps outsell every other FCA brand? Maybe they are sacrificing other brand models to reduce overall fleet MPG numbers to save the best selling brand....Jeep?

Stellantis has had a plan to widdle down some of the brands under their umbrella for a while.

 

[wv_gladiator]

So, in the back of my mind I’ve been wondering if we might see a V8 Gladiator given the heat in the midsized truck market. Then, I came across a couple Jeep might do it articles I.e.: https://carbuzz.com/news/jeep-might-give-us-a-v8-powered-gladiator-after-all

Then, I watched this video on how the last of the Hemi Challengers and Chargers would be made in ‘23:

Now, I’m beginning to wonder if the industry (Jeep?) is turning chicken when it comes to making exciting vehicles more exciting. As well, part of me wonders if this is a case of when Old Coke was taken off the market for New Coke which made Old Coke sales sky rocket. Then, guess what, Coke changed the formula back to the Old which became the new New. Likely all a marketing stunt. So, what say you on the rumors?

Never happen!

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

It depends as with every motor. I’ve built 5.0ls that loved high end hp. I’ve built stroke i6 that had a torque line that put its best torque out below 2100 rpm.

Having driven multiples of both nothing will ever replace the snap of a Jeep i6 for my wheeling preferences.

Stock against stock, A V8 usually makes more torque down low compared to an I6.

Take a wimpy little V8 like the 4.7 non-HO 235hp version and put it up against the 4.0 I6. The 4.7 v8 makes more torque at 1,200 RPM than the 4.0 I6 does at its peak.

You can build them however you want, but if you spend the same money and build with the same goal, the V8 is still usually going to win in the end.

 

[Rusty PW]

But this is a jeep site, the vehicle we choose to get out of the urban area for a reason....

And we haven't even touched on the green fallacy of it EV.... it's being artificially forced before being thought out completely and makes one wonder why....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

If you talk about emissions. They just moving it from the tail pipe to the smoke stack.

Just wait. Once there is more EV's on the road. The states and the feds start losing road tax money. They will hit the EV users hard to make up for that lost money. They will hit you with a road use tax of some kind. You will have to report your mileage either monthly/yearly, or when you recharge. Might be a meter of some kind on the recharging station.

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