Suspension advice please

[elPollero]

Putting things together for my 2021 Willys edition . Looking for some direction or advice before purchasing a few items.
Wanting to run 295/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss .
Wanting to definitely get rid of all the rake .
Was going to just do a 1.5 Teraflex leveling kit with the day star 3/4 in back.
Already have a pair of Mopar LCA from a 2” lift
Now I thinking I may want to upgrade to a rubicon take off suspension.

I assume even with the rubicon suspension I will need a level kit to get rid of all the rake??
Will the rubicon suspension add more lift than just the leveling kit.

Intend to keep the factory wheels and like the narrower look of the firestones that came factory.
Never intend to go above a 35” tire. Do not do any hard off road long or rock crawling.
Do any rake , have a dodge 2500 farm truck for any towing needs.

main questions is will I benefit from the rubicon take off over just the leveling kit and with the LCA I already have and the take off suspension will I need anything else I’m not thinking of.

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[Escape.idiocracy]

Putting things together for my 2021 Willys edition . Looking for some direction or advice before purchasing a few items.
Wanting to run 295/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss .
Wanting to definitely get rid of all the rake .
Was going to just do a 1.5 Teraflex leveling kit with the day star 3/4 in back.
Already have a pair of Mopar LCA from a 2” lift
Now I thinking I may want to upgrade to a rubicon take off suspension.

I assume even with the rubicon suspension I will need a level kit to get rid of all the rake??
Will the rubicon suspension add more lift than just the leveling kit.

Intend to keep the factory wheels and like the narrower look of the firestones that came factory.
Never intend to go above a 35” tire. Do not do any hard off road long or rock crawling.
Do any rake , have a dodge 2500 farm truck for any towing needs.

main questions is will I benefit from the rubicon take off over just the leveling kit and with the LCA I already have and the take off suspension will I need anything else I’m not thinking of.

Lots and lots of variables here.
Are you just going for looks? Or improvements?

Rubicon take offs might give you a bit of height, but the ride is pretty soft… personally I would go with something with a little more quality.

If you are happy with your factory springs and are looking for aesthetics- no off-road gain in function. A spacer lift will help you out.

Shocks. Again- improve things? Or like how it rides? If you like how it rides add the relocation brackets. If you think it is lacking- then the fun begins. Call shock surplus- they can probably give you a ton more pros and cons to different shocks than anyone here on the forum. ???

 

[kevman65]

It's been done all over this Board.

I believe the Sport guys claimed a true gain of about 3/4" in height.

The Rubi springs are soft and the Fox shocks are pretty weak. I have a '20 Rubi, when I switch out springs and shocks it WON'T be a MOPAR lift.

Basically from what I've read of people doing the swap for Rubi suspension, it's a waste of money.

 

[mdyucca]

IMO the Rubicon take offs are not worth the work changing the springs and shocks to get 1/2 to 3/4 inch lift you might see. Also, with the Rubicon take offs you will still have the rear end up in the air. From what I hear you saying and what your needs will be you should just go with the front leveling kit and call it done. The Mopar kit will get close the 3 inches lift. The Mopar kit comes with LCA, shocks, springs, sway bar end links, and bump stop adjustment. If you go with more than the leveling kit you should plan on replacing parts equal to what are in the Mopar kit.

 

[elPollero]

IMO the Rubicon take offs are not worth the work changing the springs and shocks to get 1/2 to 3/4 inch lift you might see. Also, with the Rubicon take offs you will still have the rear end up in the air. From what I hear you saying and what your needs will be you should just go with the front leveling kit and call it done. The Mopar kit will get close the 3 inches lift. The Mopar kit comes with LCA, shocks, springs, sway bar end links, and bump stop adjustment. If you go with more than the leveling kit you should plan on replacing parts equal to what are in the Mopar kit.

Thanks. This is what I needed to hear .

 

[Sarge502]

Putting things together for my 2021 Willys edition . Looking for some direction or advice before purchasing a few items.
Wanting to run 295/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss .
Wanting to definitely get rid of all the rake .
Was going to just do a 1.5 Teraflex leveling kit with the day star 3/4 in back.
Already have a pair of Mopar LCA from a 2” lift
Now I thinking I may want to upgrade to a rubicon take off suspension.

I assume even with the rubicon suspension I will need a level kit to get rid of all the rake??
Will the rubicon suspension add more lift than just the leveling kit.

Intend to keep the factory wheels and like the narrower look of the firestones that came factory.
Never intend to go above a 35” tire. Do not do any hard off road long or rock crawling.
Do any rake , have a dodge 2500 farm truck for any towing needs.

main questions is will I benefit from the rubicon take off over just the leveling kit and with the LCA I already have and the take off suspension will I need anything else I’m not thinking of.

So just came across this, but if you havent got the answers your looking for I can add a little advice as your concern is nearly the exact same set up as I currently have also my purpose seems a bit similar to your everyday use.

So I have an Overland with 3.7.3 gears therefore I'm probably too staying with my current 35s cause I'm not looking to regear. But also Im pretty content with 35s. I also have Rubicon take off suspension with the Teraflex leveling kit up front. Nothing in the rear. I also have my stock wheels as you mentioned (although I am getting aftermarket ones very soon).

So your first question about rake. Adding the Rubicon suspension alone will not get rid of the rake. However, due to the difference in spring compression, you will gain a bit more of clearance from your stock height. Now this can differ depending on which Rubicon take off springs you have. Theres basically (2) sets with different part numbers in a nutshell. One version is from Rubicons that came stock with steel bumpers. The other is for non-steel bumpers (which is what mine came from). Theres a thread on here that talks about this, I could try and find it if I really wanted). So with that said, for me I gained a half inch alone just going to a rubicon suspension. Again that still has nothing to do with rake.

Thats where the leveling kit came in. After adding the teraflex 1.5 level up front, I've basically got a 2 inch lift total without having an actual full out lift kit, just having a spacer lift. But its 2 inches higher than its stock form. For me this has worked tremendously and even the rubicon shocks I found to be smooth. And that's considering my Overland had a smooth ride to start with. So I found it is an easy and cheap option to get a better ride and a little lift without spending a bunch up front and I am no means a cheap person or take the cheap route with anything. Hell my bed cover alone was $2300. My point is that it was super easy and affordable way to ease into the lift game and get a better feel for the direction I wanted to go or stay. Plus I installed it all myself.

Now that I've had that set up for awhile, I'm personally going for the Mopar 2in lift eventually. Not that I have a problem with my set up, but just for something better. If I already have a 2in spacer lift, you're probably wondering why I would go with a Mopar 2in lift in particular. One, its warrantied. Two, technically the mopar lift is a bit higher than 2 inches in most cases I've seen. And lastly, with the small increase, I want to make up for the added weight in possibly eventually getting the rubicon 3 piece steel bumper. Even with all that said, I'm not in a rush because I love my current set up. So in a sense the above user mentioned the work of the rubi take offs not being worth it. I can agree and disagree. In my case, I didnt know where I wanted to be at for starters I just had an idea. So it was a cheap option to figure it out. However, if youre already exporing options on an actual lift (Mopar or any others), than I'd just say go for that to save the time and effort. But money wise, you're not really loosing anything. Most take offs go for $300 tops and the leveling kit maybe $150 which you'd probably use with a lift or not anyways. So overall it depends on what your goal is. But I wouldn't just say its a waste. For me it;s been great.

So I'm including a few pics to maybe help you visualize. Anything beyond that DM me or check out my vehicle showcase for info.

First pic is stock. Second pic is a before/after combo showing the leveling kit (with the rubi suspension on both, just the level). Third pic is after the Rubi suspension only, no level yet. I know that kind of backwards but that they way they uploaded.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

IMO the Rubicon take offs are not worth the work changing the springs and shocks to get 1/2 to 3/4 inch lift you might see.

Sorry, strongly disagree!
Many have seen OVER an inch. I got just shy of an inch myself and I used the lightest pair of Rubicon springs up front.
There are several spring numbers so you can't just say "rubicon springs" - you have to specify which Rubicon springs.
With the lightest set I got just about 1" - I bet I'd have gotten over an inch like most others here have gotten if I had the heavier Rubicon springs.
They aren't softer - they are a higher number with a higher rate than Overland springs for sure.
I got 1" lift, and even with an added 150 or so pounds worth of winch, steel bumper, skid plate and receiver, my truck STILL sat higher! That means Rubicon springs are stiffer than Overland springs.
I also measured the wire size, compared spacing of coils and numbers of coils.
Rubicon springs are quite a bit more "Stiff" (higher spring rate) than Overland springs.
Sport people got 1-1.25" lift, I got 1" lift.

I got 1" lift, added the bumper, plate, winch and receiver and dropped .5". I was STILL sitting higher than stock.

I believe the Sport guys claimed a true gain of about 3/4" in height.

The Rubi springs are soft and the Fox shocks are pretty weak

Yes and no - the shocks aren't any better, but the springs are far from soft. The Rubicon springs are SHORTER than the Overland springs and yet I got all but 1" lift - so that means the Rubicon springs were STIFFER in order to be shorter and yet give me 1" lift.
Check the other threads from 2 year ago - most reported a good 1", some got 1.25".

I've run both stock and Rubicon springs and I'd not call Rubicon springs soft by any stretch.
You can't have softer springs and yet hold the truck up higher. That means the Rubicon springs are a higher rate. The proof is in the part numbers, the wire size, the number and spacing of coils.

The Rubicon springs under an Overland will make the ride LESS soft and cushy and will give 1" of lift, with the heavier pair of Rubicon springs, you'd likely get 1.25" lift on an Overland.

I did the research back in 2019 and early 2020 and found several people who got 1" or more out of Rubicon springs, that's why I went that way with my first one. And it was fine. My truck sat higher after all that weight was added and the ride was stiffer.
I was going by all of the Sport people who said they got 1" or more lift.

I have no idea where the 1/2 to 3/4" numbers are coming from . That's not what I saw, nor is it what I got as a result. Even my dealer told me Rubicon springs would make my truck sit about 1" higher - and by golly, he was right!

 

[mdyucca]

We continue to differ in our opinions on this issue. Mine remains the same. If a person has no money and nothing better to do go with the Rubicon take off.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

We continue to differ in our opinions on this issue. Mine remains the same. If a person has no money and nothing better to do go with the Rubicon take off.

LOL - and mine remains the same - backed by measurements ;-)
I happened to get 1" lift. Mine settled less with the Rubicon springs showing they are a higher rate than Overland springs. That's a given.

I'd say it depends on the goal - if you are only looking for 1 to 1.25", it's a good deal.
It takes so very little time to change springs on these.

So we just disagree. My experience was 1" and a stiffer ride.
I spent very little money compared to a full lift costing hundreds. I didn't want 2.5"
So was I wrong - did I waste 300 bucks and morning's time?

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