Thinking of trading my 21 gas JT for an eco diesel JT

[charliez]

From what I've seen on engine tear downs after a failure, all of the oil passages are stuffed full of soot, especially the oil passages in the crankshaft. On one vidga, it was packed so tight, the guy had a hard time getting a drill bit to go thru it.

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[shokker70]

I'm curious what your trade value is vs what your payoff will be with it being a lease. They are not designed to get out of easily, but I've done it on multiple occasions.

Love my new EcoD. Miss my Mojave, but has been worth the tradeoff IMO. All comes down to $ unless you're just wealthy!

 

[Jeep Hercules]

Hi guys! This is valuable and awesome information. I am grateful for your responses. Here’s a bit more context on my situation. My current JTR is my 7th Jeep vehicle I’ve owned and to be honest with you, I jumped onto this JTR without even test driving or researching the eco diesel option. I’ve always owned Jeep manual transmission vehicles and “I thought” owning a 6MT JTR would be the way to go. Well, I am simply disappointed with how underpowered this platform is with my stock 33s ??? I feel like a granny driving this vehicle around city and highway.

I know the solution is a $2,000 regear job and be done with it which will save me a whole bunch of money by not being upside down on my trade BUT the more I dig into options and other factors, the choice of going diesel should’ve been considered before I leased my JTR.

I will “for giggles” one of these weekends, make it down to my local Chrysler dealership to see what kind of numbers I’m looking at ???

Thank you so much everyone for your valuable input ??

Mario.

 

[briscoelab]

A 4 year lease (ugh).... that you're barely into? I'm not here to financially shame anyone. But wow. I'm not 100% against leasing either. Leasing a depreciating asset can make a lot of sense for certain situations. But a personal vehicle is usually not the best use case. Leasing makes even less sense now, given leasing companies and manufactures are not incentivizing leases like they used to (propped up residuals, them buying down at the beginning, etc).

I also hope you aren't really being serious about regearing a leased vehicle.

NO, do not "trade in" your lease. 1. That's not how it works, in reality. No matter what a salesperson will say. Obviously they will do whatever they can to get you to sign and buy something. 2. Your MF on the lease for 14 months ago is going to be a LOT less than current MF or APR if you finance.

You're going to get slaughtered financially if you do this.

If you're stock or near stock, the gasser is FINE. the MT is fun to drive. If it feels slow... get on the go pedal harder and shift later. Sure the grass is always greener. But don't make an exceeding foolish financial decision over something like this.

 

[Barnaby’sdad]

Unless you’ve got concerns with reliability with your particular 3.6 AND you’re content with being bent over and done dry financially on the deal…I’d say keep what you’ve got.

 

[Sandevino]

It was a 2017. I won't ever lease a vehicle. I got as little less than what I paid for trade but not much less. If that engine had not come apart, I would still have it.

Gotcha… the Gen 3 in the Gladiator is a whole different engine. You only live once and you can’t take the money with you when you die.

 

[charliez]

Mine got replaced with a gen 3 but I still would not trust it.

 

[Mister Lamb]

Rather than be upside down thousands of dollars, get a $200 pedal commander. They open your throttle body instantaneously and will give the truck considerable more zip making it more fun to drive.

P.S. stay away from leases beyond 36 months. You don't want to get stuck with repairs on a lease that fall out of the warranty period.

 

[Jeep Hercules]

Wow! I'm truly blown away by all your help and support. I see potential for a financial mistake and possibly a failed diesel engine adventure as well. I can't justify losing so much money over wanting to switch from one platform to another. I may just wait it out until the next batch of improved diesels make their debut.

Thank you so much everyone for your honest opinion. The fella that said something about "why are you re-gearing a leased JT?" How else do people do it here? Folks who finance their JTs/Jeeps drop a shitload of money on vehicles that still belong to the bank. Maybe I missed his point....

Cheers!

Mario.

 

[whiteglad]

Just my opinion here. I think the other members are pointing out that at the end of a purchase loan, you won the Gladiator, not the bank. At the end of the lease, you don't own it and never really owned it. You would be making a difficult to un-do change to someone else's truck. When leasing, I think it is important to get the unit that is very close to what you want, not raw material for personal build-up.

Right now, the 3.6 gasser is the only powerplant for the Mojave, which tells me that there are significant drawbacks to any others that are currently produced by Mopar. I also realize that a new engine option could become available any time, and possibly render the 3.6 a lesser choice. Not that you are considering that trim level, but I wanted the Mojave for its performance and strength upgrades. While I love diesels, I continue to have reservations about the VM 3.0 which is a pretty expensive option with expensive maintenance costs.

 

[briscoelab]

Wow! I'm truly blown away by all your help and support. I see potential for a financial mistake and possibly a failed diesel engine adventure as well. I can't justify losing so much money over wanting to switch from one platform to another. I may just wait it out until the next batch of improved diesels make their debut.

Thank you so much everyone for your honest opinion. The fella that said something about "why are you re-gearing a leased JT?" How else do people do it here? Folks who finance their JTs/Jeeps drop a shitload of money on vehicles that still belong to the bank. Maybe I missed his point....

Cheers!

Mario.

Sorry, I can see how I might not have been super clear on that point.

But like the last commenter stated, doing modifications (esp driveline) to a leased vehicle is a really, really bad idea. You want to lease something that is as close as possible to your desired end goal as possbile. You’ll have problems when turning it in and you’re dumping significant money into something that will never be “yours”. You won’t ever have trade equity on it and you will never be able to sell it to another enthusiast (the only way you could ever possibly recover any money from the cost of regearing the truck).

But, sounds like we talked you down anyway

Just stuff to consider in the future. You still have a great truck, enjoy!

 

[Barnaby’sdad]

Sorry, I can see how I might not have been super clear on that point.

But like the last commenter stated, doing modifications (esp driveline) to a leased vehicle is a really, really bad idea. You want to lease something that is as close as possible to your desired end goal as possbile. You’ll have problems when turning it in and you’re dumping significant money into something that will never be “yours”. You won’t ever have trade equity on it and you will never be able to sell it to another enthusiast (the only way you could ever possibly recover any money from the cost of regearing the truck).

But, sounds like we talked you down anyway

Just stuff to consider in the future. You still have a great truck, enjoy!

Yup. Aside from the financial implications of putting money into a truck that someone had no plan to own down the line, I find it hard to believe that someone wouldn’t be penalized at the end of the lease term. If it’s obvious that the vehicle had been otherwise modified, I’m sure they’re going to look it over with a fine-tooth comb and catch that the diff covers had been removed.

 

[briscoelab]

Leasing companies are VERY good at finding things to charge you for at the end of the term. It’s just extra profit for them.

 

[Darkamek]

From personal experience I had with a 2019 Jeep Wrangler lease. I went to the dealer to try and trade it in and get out early to get a Gladiator. Unfortunately the only way I could get out of the lease was to buy out the whole lease. Ended up giving the lease to my brother to finish and bought a Gladiator. My brother bought the Wrangler when the lease was up.

 

[Pescatoral Pursuit]

Hi fam! I know this sounds pretty dumb but I’m seriously considering trading my 2021 gas JTR for an eco diesel JTR. I am 13 months into my 4 year lease which makes me turn to this forum and see if anyone has gone through something like this before. Am I asking for trouble by trading my current JT (financially speaking/being upside down on my trade)

thank you so much for your help!

Mario.

Why?
You'll never recoup the cost in fuel which is a factor whether big or small. You'll have more power and the potential for more than that but it's that you're reason? If so it's a good one though you'll be in for about as much as a supercharger which is better than a turbo.
It's not a better wheeler. But if you like the clatter, hey...

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