Tow Capacity - Double Check the Math

[UTRocky]

I have searched a few forums today and still cant figure it out. What is my Max Towing without occupants, and max payload of weight I can have sitting in the bed?

My sticker says:
GVWR - 5800#
GAWR Front - 3100#
GAWR Rear - 3750#

Not seeing the GC # anywhere, unless I am blind.

This is from my window sticker. Are these Axles standard or beefier why they say Heavy just for marketing?

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[rhaney02]

Looks like yours is equipped almost exactly as mine. Your max tow rating should be 4500 lbs.

Edit: 6000 lbs.

 

[Labswine]

Trailer tow package will have you having the ability to tow up to 6.000 lbs.

I have the Overland edition (ordered 5/19, delivered 7/19) with the factory tow package and I can tow up to 6.000 lbs with it. I routinely tow a 27' travel trailer that weighs right around 5,100 lbs with all we want or need. My Overland handles it nicely.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Trailer tow package will have you having the ability to tow up to 6.000 lbs.

I have the Overland edition (ordered 5/19, delivered 7/19) with the factory tow package and I can tow up to 6.000 lbs with it. I routinely tow a 27' travel trailer that weighs right around 5,100 lbs with all we want or need. My Overland handles it nicely.

Trailer tow package is just the hitch and zoom. Max tow package is what increases the capacity.

 

[Josh00333]

There is more to it.

Tow package as noted should give you 6k towing.
On your driver door sill is a sticker that lists your GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating). This is the most your truck can carry. You need to take your truck to a CAT scale and weigh it, should cost $13. Subtract that actual weight from what the sticker says. That's your actual payload.

Then you need to subtract the hitch weight of the trailer you are looking at. Subtract all the another stuff you are putting in your truck for a trip; wife, kids, dog, wife purse, beer, tools, fire wood, your self. If the number is positive you can tow that. If the number is - well then no.

This is were 90% of folks towing with a light truck hit issues (1500 and below) is payload.

Yes your 30' trailer might be "ultra light" and weigh 5999 pounds and you can tow it! Ummm no.

1000 pound pay load for a Sport is pretty good.
-600 pounds hitch weight
-75 pound weight distribution hitch
-150 wife
-100 kid
-50 dog
-200 pound self
-500 pounds of jeep junk; skid plates, 50" tires, air system, welder, floor jack, cool t-shirts
= Over weight.

 

[Labswine]

Trailer tow package is just the hitch and zoom. Max tow package is what increases the capacity.

I know that. His window sticker simply says 'tow package' and he has the Willys edition. You can only get the Max Tow package with the Sport S edition, which will get you a 7,600 lb towing capacity due to wider axles and beefier rear suspension components.

 

[Josh00333]

Trailer tow package is just the hitch and zoom. Max tow package is what increases the capacity.

Not quite right.

There is base, no tow package, bumper ball towing, it's little to nothing.
Tow package which has the class 4 hitch (?) gives most rigs 6k towing, thing some have 6600 (Rubicon?).
Max Tow is another step above that that gives you 7650 (off the top of my head). Big thing with Max Tow is pay load jumps up to 1500ish+. Vs the 900-1100 of the other packages.

 

[IamPro2A]

I know that. His window sticker simply says 'tow package' and he has the Willys edition. You can only get the Max Tow package with the Sport S edition, which will get you a 7,600 lb towing capacity due to wider axles and beefier rear suspension components.

Yup, and the Max Tow package includes 4.10 gears and the trac-lok rear dif

 

[DylanM]

This is why I still don't understand why Jeep doesn't list the GCWR information anywhere on the vehicle. They list the GVWR and obviously are capable of calculating out the vehicle-specific payload and listing that, but for some inexplicable reason fail to do the same for GCWR and tow capacity. It's not like they don't know how the vehicle is equipped as built.

Anyway, as noted earlier your tow capacity is 6000lbs due to being a Sport/Sport S with automatic transmission and equipped with the factory tow package. Your GCWR is 11,100lbs, max tongue 600lbs, and a max limit of 55sqft frontal area of the trailer.

 

[UTRocky]

So I am 6k tow weight, but need to subtract weight in Cab aka me, occupants/gear. And then for bed payload its 1 ton so 2k# worth of rocks/dirt I can put in there?

Thanks everyone for the insight.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Trailer tow package is just the hitch and zoom. Max tow package is what increases the capacity.

It's more than that.
It's cooling capacity and in the past has been a larger alternator as well.

My Overland was 6,000 with the tow package, 4500 without it. 4,000 with manual transmission.
Transmission matters as well.

I have searched a few forums today and still cant figure it out. What is my Max Towing without occupants, and max payload of weight I can have sitting in the bed?

My sticker says:
GVWR - 5800#
GAWR Front - 3100#
GAWR Rear - 3750#

Not seeing the GC # anywhere, unless I am blind.

This is from my window sticker. Are these Axles standard or beefier why they say Heavy just for marketing?

A Sport (Willys?) with tow package is 6,000 pounds towing, 600 tongue weight.

You can't calculate the tow capacity!
Look in your OWNERS MANUAL.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So I am 6k tow weight, but need to subtract weight in Cab aka me, occupants/gear. And then for bed payload its 1 ton so 2k# worth of rocks/dirt I can put in there?

Thanks everyone for the insight.

NO, towing is towing - it's not payload. You don't subtract from that 6,000

No, you do not have 1 ton for payload - you have whatever your DOOR STICKER says it is - probably about 1100 or so pounds. Look at the door jamb sticker!

That's what you subtract your accessories (stuff you carry or bolt onto the truck) passengers and so on.

In the Gladiator example below, the payload is 1031 pounds.
You do NOT have a ton of payload.
You have what this sticker says you have. That's it.

You have UP TO 6,000 pounds of towing capacity but don't even think of going that high. Try to stay well under that. That number doesn't change. It's what the factory rating is based on SAE testing.

Payload is set on your door sticker.
You subtract cooler, dog, gas cans, straps, winch and whatever other accessories you add or bolt on or carry with you.
If you have 1100 pounds of payload and add on 200 pounds of stuff like winch, bumpers and other stuff, now you have 900 pounds left for payload.

 

[UTRocky]

So I have 900# it says for payload if I weight #225 so I can do like 650# in the bed? I thought the Jeep Gladiator was best in glass compared to Ranger, Colorado, and Tacoma and was a 1 ton payload? Or did my brain make that up somewhere.

Is there a difference btwn Sport Willys and regular Willys? I am a regular Willys that I am aware of. Ill check out the owners manual. So lets just say tow 4-4500# or less should put no strain on the glad - Im looking at camper trailers to get so thats what Im trying to figure out.

So for the chart consider my Jeep a Sport Automatic Trans with Tow Package (Not Max as in my OG post where I show my sticker).

Thanks Papa!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I thought the Jeep Gladiator was best in glass compared to Ranger, Colorado, and Tacoma and was a 1 ton payload? Or did my brain make that up somewhere.

When any company, Ford, Jeep, Chevy, Toyota, whatever, advertise "best in class", the fine print is always "when appropriately equipped" or similar words. They can get by saying that because it is best in class - IF you get a basic Sport S with the max tow package and don't load it up with other options.
To show how cut-throat that market segment is - Ford was caught running their tests without a spare tire or rear bumper. That gave them a slight edge - lighter truck for more payload.

Even the best max tow package won't get you 1 ton of payload.
I can't say that even my Silverado was rated quite that good.
My F250 4x4 was loaded down with about 2200 pounds of antique engine and 3 people in the cab and it rode down on the auxiliary springs.

 

[Stan H]

NO, towing is towing - it's not payload. You don't subtract from that 6,000

No, you do not have 1 ton for payload - you have whatever your DOOR STICKER says it is - probably about 1100 or so pounds. Look at the door jamb sticker!

That's what you subtract your accessories (stuff you carry or bolt onto the truck) passengers and so on.

In the Gladiator example below, the payload is 1031 pounds.
You do NOT have a ton of payload.
You have what this sticker says you have. That's it.

You have UP TO 6,000 pounds of towing capacity but don't even think of going that high. Try to stay well under that. That number doesn't change. It's what the factory rating is based on SAE testing.

Payload is set on your door sticker.
You subtract cooler, dog, gas cans, straps, winch and whatever other accessories you add or bolt on or carry with you.
If you have 1100 pounds of payload and add on 200 pounds of stuff like winch, bumpers and other stuff, now you have 900 pounds left for payload.

This I totally agree with I drove semi-tractor trailer all over the US for years . I can not begin to recount the times I seen smaller pickups and SUV's pulling to big of campers and the wind or a curve etc. Took them out !!! Stay well under as stated . And go with smaller campers.

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