Warranty work while tuned

[CMac]

They cannot say a lift kit caused a wiper motor to go out

Oh, they’ll sure as shit try, as surely as you’re reading this!

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[ArmyMP]

I'm all for upholding your rights, but you gotta take a step back and chill man. Sometimes it doesn't matter how right you are, if you approach a situation wrong it's going to cost you.

You need to use common sense. If you are concerned about the dealership voiding the warranty (right or not), then remove the tune first. Don't tell people not to worry about it and encourage them to pick a fight that they don't need to have.

What's it feel like to be spineless?

If someone's rights are being violated or they are being mistreated they have every right to put their foot down and fight for what is right. But I'm guessing you think little ol Rosa Parks should have just sat her ass in the back of the bus and shut up, Or that I should just let businesses tell me I can't come in with my service dog.

It's going to cost you? Lmao MM warranty lawsuits are handled by State AG's and or the FTC, or you can use your own lawyer who will take part of the settlement or judgement. And I can tell you this, when you hit a business with a 5-6 figure sum they change their tune real quick; I've done it over my service dog.

 

[sharpsicle]

Dude @ArmyMP what are you even on about. Why are you calling me racist? Why are you talking about service dogs as though they have anything to do with this? Why are you insulting others for giving practical advice? Who triggered you? Stop attacking those who are actually here to help.

 

[ArmyMP]

The "afterrmarket parts" language in MM applies to things like a 3rd party alternator or a different brand of battery than OEM - replacement parts.

A tune is not an "aftermarket replacement part", it is a vehicle modification and MM absolutely does not apply to such.

Wrong. Actually you can thank Farmers for allowing you access to software and software mods. Farmers went to war with John Deere (who surprisingly employees more software engineers than mechanical engineers). The FTC has already ruled in favor of the farmers who were having to use pirated software and black market cords to repair combines.

So once again, If they cannot prove the tune or mod directly damaged or caused damage to the warranty part you are protected by Magnusson Moss.

 

[Broccoli]

Just because people are sheep does not negate the law, nor condone illegal activity by others. If you or someone else is to timid or scared to cause a scene and or defend your own rights does not deny the right you threw away to others.

You can either allow it to happen and then whine online and spread falsehoods or you can rigorously defend you rights guaranteed under the warranty. Plenty of dealers out there, document the denial, find a new dealer and then sue the ever loving shit out of the offending dealer.

Just some advice to sheep from a sheepdog.

When you refer to everyone else as “sheep” and yourself as the “sheepdog” you automatically get placed in the “cannot be taken seriously “ file.

 

[ecidiego]

When you refer to everyone else as “sheep” and yourself as the “sheepdog” you automatically get placed in the “cannot be taken seriously “ file.

Probably has American Sniper on loop.

Regardless, a tune can and has resulted in entire powertrain warranties being denied. Nope, no State AG cases filed. LOL @ that....

Granted, a tune won't cause your 8.4 radio warranty to be denied. Duh?

 

[JRobes]

Farmers went to war with John Deere (who surprisingly employees more software engineers than mechanical engineers). The FTC has already ruled in favor of the farmers who were having to use pirated software and black market cords to repair combines.

I highlighted the key portion of your statement. Farmers used software/parts to REPAIR their equipment themselves back to OEM spec, not running their own programming to overwork the equipment's powertrain. These are two very different things. Repairing/replacing OEM components using aftermarket parts built to OEM spec (without dealership help) is absolutely covered under Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, altering/enhancing is not. You'll notice lawsuits/rulings you see about this focus on repair only.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pre...forcement-against-illegal-repair-restrictions

This is why Magnuson Superchargers provide an entirely new powertrain warranty to you when you buy their kit for the JT... the moment you install it you're voiding that portion of your OEM warranty so they're replacing it with one provided by them.
https://magnusonsuperchargers.com/pages/warranty

@BryantM4, sorry this thread is being derailed so much. If you watch threads like this long enough, you'll find that FCA (now Stellantis) is not very friendly when it comes to modifying software that controls vehicle performance. With how interconnected vehicles are now and how much of them are computer controlled, it's not surprising how easily they can track what you've done and how easily they can now claim which downstream components are affected by what changes you've done. I don't claim to be an expert on this whatsoever, just regurgitating what I've seen people post about over the last couple years.

Hopefully other members chime in to your original question who've had some first-hand dealership encounters.

 

[ArmyMP]

When you refer to everyone else as “sheep” and yourself as the “sheepdog” you automatically get placed in the “cannot be taken seriously “ file.

Lets See I have one of these:

And I actually defended rights and freedom, while you seem to be advocating the surrender of rights.

I have also gone through life without ever knowing your name or needing your approval, I'm sure I will survive without your approval.

 

[Broccoli]

Lets See I have one of these:

And I actually defended rights and freedom, while you seem to be advocating the surrender of rights.

I have also gone through life without ever knowing your name or needing your approval, I'm sure I will survive without your approval.

How exactly did I advocate the surrender of rights? ?

 

[ArmyMP]

I highlighted the key portion of your statement. Farmers used software/parts to REPAIR their equipment themselves back to OEM spec, not running their own programming to overwork the equipment's powertrain. These are two very different things. Repairing/replacing OEM components using aftermarket parts built to OEM spec (without dealership help) is absolutely covered under Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, altering/enhancing is not. You'll notice lawsuits/rulings you see about this focus on repair only.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pre...forcement-against-illegal-repair-restrictions

This is why Magnuson Superchargers provide an entirely new powertrain warranty to you when you buy their kit for the JT... the moment you install it you're voiding that portion of your OEM warranty so they're replacing it with one provided by them.
https://magnusonsuperchargers.com/pages/warranty

@BryantM4, sorry this thread is being derailed so much. If you watch threads like this long enough, you'll find that FCA (now Stellantis) is not very friendly when it comes to modifying software that controls vehicle performance. With how interconnected vehicles are now and how much of them are computer controlled, it's not surprising how easily they can track what you've done and how easily they can now claim which downstream components are affected by what changes you've done. I don't claim to be an expert on this whatsoever, just regurgitating what I've seen people post about over the last couple years.

Hopefully other members chime in to your original question who've had some first-hand dealership encounters.

It doesn't matter how friendly Stellantis is, What matters Is What Magnusson Moss, FTC and Library of Congress Say.

It doesn't even matter what the dealer says. Do you really think the tech/service advisor can spell Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 yet alone has read it?

If I had the ability too I'd love to change the tune on my JTRD to increase remote start idle to 2k RPMs. If I did they would be hard pressed to prove that raising the idle of remote start was any more detrimental than me going out and putting my foot on the pedal. Hence a tune does not necessarily break warranty. Same could be said of a tune that creates a winch mode to raise RPM during winching, once again A manufacturer would be hard pressed to say a tune was more detrimental than a foot on a pedal.

And yes both of those are in the realm of tunes. My 2000 7.3 with 1.2m miles has spent years running a high idle tune.


A tune does not immediately void a warranty. Nor does installing a magnusson supercharger.

I'll bet most of the people who say such also believe that the warranty is void if you break the sticker on electronics.

 

[STLMike]

This went out of control quick.
Lighten up ArmyMP.

As for the real subject. Good luck fighting a manufacturer in court. They have FU money and lawyers on retainer to drag you into waters average Joe can't swim in.

 

[ajkaz]

Wrong. Actually you can thank Farmers for allowing you access to software and software mods. Farmers went to war with John Deere (who surprisingly employees more software engineers than mechanical engineers). The FTC has already ruled in favor of the farmers who were having to use pirated software and black market cords to repair combines.

So once again, If they cannot prove the tune or mod directly damaged or caused damage to the warranty part you are protected by Magnusson Moss.

Your bearish attitude is laughable, you remind me of Dwight Schrute! I was cringing at first, now its entertaining, feel free to keep going!

I pulled this from Banks Website:

"Does the Derringer void my warranty?

The Derringer is an inline tuner. It does not alter the truck’s ECM in any way, unlike a flash tuner that permanently alters the truck’s ECM. Treat the Derringer as you would with altering the truck’s suspension. Most dealerships understand accessories like upgraded suspension systems is harmless, however, some dealers are not as forgiving. Always check with your service advisor prior to dropping off your truck. Are they ok with aftermarket accessories? When in doubt, simply remove the Derringer and engine harness. It takes less than 10 minutes. After removal its presence is undetectable.


Should I remove the Derringer and iDash before a dealer visit?

This depends on your relationship with your dealership and/or service writer. It’s good to know if they’re aftermarket accessory friendly. When in doubt, remove the Derringer module and engine harness. Coil up starter cable and zip-tie it out of sight. The iDash is a diagnostic device just like any mechanic’s diagnostic scan tool or code reader. It can remain in the vehicle."

In the real world, we have a lot of ways the MM can help, but a few important indisputable facts:
-MM act at its core was created to prevent dealers from locking you into OEM service an/or using OEM parts, breaking up that monopoly they had on consumers.
-If the aftermarket part was defective or installed improperly and that causes damage to a warranted part, warranty on parts impacted can be denied.
-If the aftermarket part changes the intended design or function, or causes/allows function outside of the intended range, your warranty claim could be denied for parts impacted by or related to the aftermarket part.

To the OP, be smart, hide or conceal what you can, avoiding the fight and getting what you want is the real win; facing the dealer head on in a lengthy legal battle, with the stress, anxiety and time lost... no one is the real winner there....

 

[ArmyMP]

This went out of control quick.
Lighten up ArmyMP.

As for the real subject. Good luck fighting a manufacturer in court. They have FU money and lawyers on retainer to drag you into waters average Joe can't swim in.

Not really. Magnusson Moss Lawsuits are contingency based and attorneys recoup any fees from the defendant.

That's why people are suing the ever loving crap out of John Deere.

The International Law Firm of Dewey, Shaftem and Howe has a pretty level playing field in the fact that the onus of proving a mod directly created the damage is on the automaker. Further more as opposed to dragging it out my guess is manufacturers settle under NDA, because one case opens the flood gates.

See above example of high idle or winch mode. Hard pressed to prove a simple tune was more damaging than my foot. Cars travel for longer than 15 minutes at speeds greater than 2k rpms.

 

[sharpsicle]

That's why people are suing the ever loving crap out of John Deere.

These cases have more to do with right-to-repair. They do not have anything to do with farmers putting tuners on their tractors. Please stop driving this thread away from its true purpose to help OP avoid a potential service issue or dealer conflict due to his tuner.

Do you really think the tech/service advisor can spell Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 yet alone has read it?

I mean, you aren't even spelling it right yourself, so....

 

[ajkaz]

If I had the ability too I'd love to change the tune on my JTRD to increase remote start idle to 2k RPMs. If I did they would be hard pressed to prove that raising the idle of remote start was any more detrimental than me going out and putting my foot on the pedal. Hence a tune does not necessarily break warranty. Same could be said of a tune that creates a winch mode to raise RPM during winching, once again A manufacturer would be hard pressed to say a tune was more detrimental than a foot on a pedal.

A tune does not immediately void a warranty.

I agree with both of these statements and haven't read of or witnessed anyone having an issue with Non-performance related tunes having warranty claims denied.

Where it comes into question is performance related tunes for more HP. Increasing boost results in increased cylinder pressures & temperatures, more load on the bearings, head gaskets, ect. Even then I haven't seen warranties "voided" but have seen claims related to engine failures or engine issues (blown head gaskets, valve problems, transmission slipping) denied. The warranty was still in place for components not impacted by the tune...

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