What did you do TO your Gladiator today? [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS, NO GUN TALK]

[ALT2870]

When the bed bars cost more then the RTT...

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[WILDHOBO]

Rebuilt the passenger ball joints, but stopped before putting the knuckle on. Found that the orange o ring in the picture has a crack and I’m going to replace it before doing preload. It thankfully goes on top of the upper joint, upper race, so 5 minutes to put it in. But I’m very happy to finally have these back together.

 

[HooliganActual]

You answered your question yourself. The key words are common sense. There are many who actually have none and try things they shouldn't lol.

First off, I'm not "calling anyone out" so please don't get upset for quoting this post. I'm late to this party and figured if I didn't include this post then none of what I'm about to say will make sense 20 pages later.

I used to teach courses on Root Cause Analysis and would talk about "The Perception of Reality and The Myth of Common Sense". While you will find different definitions for what common sense is, what it really boils down to is "that knowledge possessed by me and others with the same set of shared experiences."

The example we would use is: Imagine that you grew up in an extremely remote part of the world and had never seen a gun before. Then on the day you turn 18, you take a trip to NYC and while walking through Times Square (more experiences you've never had) someone sticks a gun in your face and says "Give me all your money!" Any New Yorker watching that would say "why doesn't he just hand over his wallet? Doesn't he have any common sense?" But the reality is that you don't even know what a gun is or what it can do.

When we would do Root Cause Analysis on failure events, we would always bring someone like a front office person, operator, or someone with no knowledge of the process being evaluated because they would ask the "dumb questions". The techs would claim they have "no common sense" but it was those dumb questions that would challenge the techs' preconceived notions about the failure and would usually be what would lead to the solution. The techs were too close to things and many times had blinders on.

So truly the quoted post could read:
"You answered your question yourself. The key words are no prior experience. There are many who actually have none and try things they shouldn't lol.

I agree with the statement in as much as mistakes are likely to happen when trying something that you have minimal experience at. Sometimes those mistakes have minimal effects (like burning the first loaf of bread you try to bake) or they can be more catastrophic.

Okay...sorry for the derail...BIG BRAIN off.

 

[WILDHOBO]

First off, I'm not "calling anyone out" so please don't get upset for quoting this post. I'm late to this party and figured if I didn't include this post then none of what I'm about to say will make sense 20 pages later.

I used to teach courses on Root Cause Analysis and would talk about "The Perception of Reality and The Myth of Common Sense". While you will find different definitions for what common sense is, what it really boils down to is "that knowledge possessed by me and others with the same set of shared experiences."

The example we would use is: Imagine that you grew up in an extremely remote part of the world and had never seen a gun before. Then on the day you turn 18, you take a trip to NYC and while walking through Times Square (more experiences you've never had) someone sticks a gun in your face and says "Give me all your money!" Any New Yorker watching that would say "why doesn't he just hand over his wallet? Doesn't he have any common sense?" But the reality is that you don't even know what a gun is or what it can do.

When we would do Root Cause Analysis on failure events, we would always bring someone like a front office person, operator, or someone with no knowledge of the process being evaluated because they would ask the "dumb questions". The techs would claim they have "no common sense" but it was those dumb questions that would challenge the techs' preconceived notions about the failure and would usually be what would lead to the solution. The techs were too close to things and many times had blinders on.

So truly the quoted post could read:
"You answered your question yourself. The key words are no prior experience. There are many who actually have none and try things they shouldn't lol.

I agree with the statement in as much as mistakes are likely to happen when trying something that you have minimal experience at. Sometimes those mistakes have minimal effects (like burning the first loaf of bread you try to bake) or they can be more catastrophic.

Okay...sorry for the derail...BIG BRAIN off.

My personal rule in my career, if you don’t know for a fact what will happen, DO NOT DO IT. If you must attempt something that will have an unknown result, a perfect roll back plan must be in place. No points of no return ever.

 

[HooliganActual]

My personal rule in my career, if you don’t know for a fact what will happen, DO NOT DO IT. If you must attempt something that will have an unknown result, a perfect roll back plan must be in place. No points of no return ever.

Well based on your career, there is an "old adage":

To err is human; but to really F*&K things up, you need a computer

 

[WILDHOBO]

Well based on your career, there is an "old adage":

To err is human; but to really F*&K things up, you need a computer

Probably. But my rules have kept me successful. In 30 years I’ve made plenty of mistakes, but have never once lost data, ever. Now if I can only retire with that streak in tact.

 

[YGBSM]

Probably. But my rules have kept me successful. In 30 years I’ve made plenty of mistakes, but have never once lost data, ever. Now if I can only retire with that streak in tact.

I lost a plane once...

I know it's around here somewhere but I can't remember where I parked it...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My personal rule in my career, if you don’t know for a fact what will happen, DO NOT DO IT. If you must attempt something that will have an unknown result, a perfect roll back plan must be in place. No points of no return ever.

Not just a personal rule - where I worked it was a MUST - you do not make a single bit of change in code, login scripts, roll out updates, patch, anything at all without a roll-back plan. And you must not just have the plan, but have tested said plan. When you push out updates to a multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporation, you'd better be correct. The rule was - no customer EVER, anywhere, shall lose the ability to access their information or websites through any fault of the company. Otherwise, the CEO was in the meeting with IT staffers.
Others must also know of that plan in case you roll things out, and something happens due to that change while you are out of the building.

When we would do Root Cause Analysis on failure events, we would always bring someone like a front office person, operator, or someone with no knowledge of the process being evaluated because they would ask the "dumb questions". The techs would claim they have "no common sense" but it was those dumb questions that would challenge the techs' preconceived notions about the failure and would usually be what would lead to the solution. The techs were too close to things and many times had blinders on.

I suspect that's one reason I was successful at what I did in my careers. I could put up a wall between myself and the rest, and come at it fresh, even if I was involved at some point.

When our senior network admin retired, the boss came to me and said "state boys says I can't hire a replacement - tag, you're it".
That's when I went in and questioned every single line of code in every single ASA, main office and remote offices. I rewrote everything, gathering information from every source I could find - Cisco engineers to ordinary admins. I took us from 98% up time to 100% up time - our only down times were when Mediacom screwed up and dropped connectivity.
When the guys in the Hoover building took over IT functions due to a mandate from the governor - they were quite appreciative of the fact that all things had been standardized, documented. Before there were differences between offices in the ASA configurations. I suspect the guy had just sort of flown by the seat of his pants and never bothered to go back in and question his own work.
I constantly question my work - I've looked back and wondered who was the dummy that did it THAT way??? I rarely look at things I've done over the years and say "good job, couldn't be any better".

OK, we've circled the barn 10 times, jumped a couple of hedges, chased a squirrel or two and looked at a cute puppy picture - reel 'er back in..........
Nothing much, still feel like shit, walking out to feed birds or take our trash is totally exhausting, and that's where I appreciated the ceramic on the JT - yesterday on the way back from our Tuesday street rod coffee group (which I've missed for 4 weeks and figured I should try to get to one) - I took it to a DIY car wash. Things came off pretty good except for a couple of grease spots from trucks and such flinging grease off their wheels and hubs into traffic. Those came off once I got home, little effort. Man, did the GLASS clean up easily. Bugs literally washed off with almost no effort at all. Good thing - I was exhausted by the time I parked it. But man, does it shine, and did it clean up easily.
I know that can't last - it's a truck, I use it as a truck, and our winters are hell on finishes of all types, but for now......... I enjoy it.

So - I washed it, took care of a couple of grease spots, touched up with ceramic spray and microfiber cloth, and parked it.

 

[40x40]

i agree with hooligan, hobo and poppa. BUT, what about the situation that receives the title of the logic "sometimes you don't know what you don't know"? if an individual perceives they have accounted for every variable, possible outcome and wild what if, and pulls the proverbial trigger with catastrophic results, how would an outsider apply blame or analysis, as in monday morning quarterback?

 

[HooliganActual]

i agree with hooligan, hobo and poppa. BUT, what about the situation that receives the title of the logic "sometimes you don't know what you don't know"? if an individual perceives they have accounted for every variable, possible outcome and wild what if, and pulls the proverbial trigger with catastrophic results, how would an outsider apply blame or analysis, as in monday morning quarterback?

That's exactly it! Too often, outsiders look at that situation and say "Well he ain't got no common sense!", but that's not what it is at all. Quite often, t's some variable that wasn't within the set of experiences that person had in that situation.

I've had that kind of scenario woodworking on my router table. A piece of wood unexpectedly split and kicked back on my hand. Never ever had that happen before. Wasn't in my set of experiences. Every precaution I know to take had been taken, but I didn't know the wood had an interior crack that I couldn't see...

 

[JCappy]

First off, I'm not "calling anyone out" so please don't get upset for quoting this post. I'm late to this party and figured if I didn't include this post then none of what I'm about to say will make sense 20 pages later.

I used to teach courses on Root Cause Analysis and would talk about "The Perception of Reality and The Myth of Common Sense". While you will find different definitions for what common sense is, what it really boils down to is "that knowledge possessed by me and others with the same set of shared experiences."

The example we would use is: Imagine that you grew up in an extremely remote part of the world and had never seen a gun before. Then on the day you turn 18, you take a trip to NYC and while walking through Times Square (more experiences you've never had) someone sticks a gun in your face and says "Give me all your money!" Any New Yorker watching that would say "why doesn't he just hand over his wallet? Doesn't he have any common sense?" But the reality is that you don't even know what a gun is or what it can do.

When we would do Root Cause Analysis on failure events, we would always bring someone like a front office person, operator, or someone with no knowledge of the process being evaluated because they would ask the "dumb questions". The techs would claim they have "no common sense" but it was those dumb questions that would challenge the techs' preconceived notions about the failure and would usually be what would lead to the solution. The techs were too close to things and many times had blinders on.

So truly the quoted post could read:
"You answered your question yourself. The key words are no prior experience. There are many who actually have none and try things they shouldn't lol.

I agree with the statement in as much as mistakes are likely to happen when trying something that you have minimal experience at. Sometimes those mistakes have minimal effects (like burning the first loaf of bread you try to bake) or they can be more catastrophic.

Okay...sorry for the derail...BIG BRAIN off.

I guess with all of this "common sense" conversation, I'll need to refrain from using it and repeating the words of someone else that used it in which I replied. I won't mention the person who I was quoting (as it really doesn't matter) and hope to end it here. Learn something new every day.

Staying on subject, the only thing I did to mine today was drive it (with the sunrider open) and top it off with fuel.

 

[WILDHOBO]

i agree with hooligan, hobo and poppa. BUT, what about the situation that receives the title of the logic "sometimes you don't know what you don't know"? if an individual perceives they have accounted for every variable, possible outcome and wild what if, and pulls the proverbial trigger with catastrophic results, how would an outsider apply blame or analysis, as in monday morning quarterback?

If you “don’t know for sure that you know”, stop.

 

[Mightytalldude]

More of what I did FOR my Gladiator, but HF currently has the 6-ton stands on sale with coupon, plus some $15 HF birthday money, so Happy early Birthday to me. After 89,000 miles, the front hubs are producing some nice red dust on the back side, so they're shot, or getting really close to it, so that'll be my project this Friday. Picked up a 36mm deep socket for the center bolt and a 1/2 drive 12 point 13mm socket for the hub bolts. One of the best things about a solid axle, is the ease of maintenance and repair.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you “don’t know for sure that you know”, stop.

Yeah, like that one.

I had a college prof who said it was just as, if not more important, to know what you don't know vs. what you know.
So that fits in with what you said.

You can get hurt - or worse, hurt someone else if you don't know for a fact.

 

[Minty JL]

So ....... solutions through thought and common sense. I hogged the holes out with a step bit, ordered the right sized grommets and got to work. Here is the final result

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