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Thanks. Sounds like I need to get a bearing shim tool. The rest of the stuff I already have or on order.

The case spreader was what I was most concerned about. Just about all the Youtube videos I seen on it to include the official DANA channel show them doing it without a spreader. Made me wonder if they were just lucky?
With the shim tool, you could do it without, and the shim tool became much less important after the spreader was in, but we still needed it. I honestly don’t know how anyone could get the backlash right without it, without putting it in with too few shims.
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I would never use an impact on stainless, and I’d never use stainless in an area that required high torque. Stainless to aluminum is risky, but stainless into cast iron is typically fine. These are low torque, so I’m using common sense tightness with hand tools only, but a star pattern for an even seal. I can’t use the factory torque specs as they take into account the fastener type. And I’m changing that.
Stainless to aluminum - you need to know WHICH stainless alloy it is. Some will be fine, some not so much.
I can't see using an impact ever on anything that small anyway. Never a risk there.
The case spreader was what I was most concerned about. Just about all the Youtube videos I seen on it to include the official DANA channel show them doing it without a spreader. Made me wonder if they were just lucky?
We spent part of a quarter in college on differentials............. never used a spreader. No shop I worked in had one. Yeah, really nice to have, but.......... I guess it depends on how risk adverse you are. I've seen guys bust brittle spacers and wrinkle shims trying to pound things in (likely they went on to work for Ford adjusting trunk lids and door hinges with the big mallet and 2x4)
 

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Forgot to answer the pinion shim question. Yes. Using his experience, he guessed correctly the first time and we never removed the pinion races after the initial install of them.
I've seen guys screw up and then try to drive that cup back out with a drift punch instead of the correct tool - destroying the shims in the process.
Do enough of something and you get a "feel" for it. I used to get head bolts almost right on before ever getting the torque wrench out - did so many of them at one time. Same for a lot of the automatic transmission specs - I just knew after doing a few dozen.
I'd have to refresh myself on much of the differential stuff these days, but some of it is like riding a bike (or horse?) - it comes right back after a quick refresher.

Your experience with this one is one reason I don't get the resistance, the balking, at checking things once in there.
"oh, it's ok, there was no noise and no glitter bomb"
So what? I have to laugh at some of that.
Some damage makes no noises that are detectible over road sounds, and that glitter bomb - what a joke. So what - I've seen chunks out of bearings, broken parts, galled bearing cups - and the oil was dark, but otherwise ok.
The bearing I've shown with the chunk out? That rear end was quiet, didn't make any sort of odd sounds. And - there was no "glitter bomb" (what a hoot). People don't understand that different materials will break down differently. Some will give you that fun party look in the fluid - some won't but will settle to the very bottom of the housing where you will only find it - if you even do - by pulling that cover.
 

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And just for fun I’m switching out all diff cover bolts for stainless the lower 6 are missing since I didn’t feel like putting the diff skid on. I’m tired. :)

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make sure you use anti-seize on those .. dissimilar metal likes to bold
 

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make sure you use anti-seize on those .. dissimilar metal likes to bold
Use the correct anti-seize...........

Depending on the stainless alloy - could be ok, but those sold generically as stainless - you don't know what alloy it is and it can rust the cast iron threads.
 

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I've seen guys screw up and then try to drive that cup back out with a drift punch instead of the correct tool - destroying the shims in the process.
Do enough of something and you get a "feel" for it. I used to get head bolts almost right on before ever getting the torque wrench out - did so many of them at one time. Same for a lot of the automatic transmission specs - I just knew after doing a few dozen.
I'd have to refresh myself on much of the differential stuff these days, but some of it is like riding a bike (or horse?) - it comes right back after a quick refresher.

Your experience with this one is one reason I don't get the resistance, the balking, at checking things once in there.
"oh, it's ok, there was no noise and no glitter bomb"
So what? I have to laugh at some of that.
Some damage makes no noises that are detectible over road sounds, and that glitter bomb - what a joke. So what - I've seen chunks out of bearings, broken parts, galled bearing cups - and the oil was dark, but otherwise ok.
The bearing I've shown with the chunk out? That rear end was quiet, didn't make any sort of odd sounds. And - there was no "glitter bomb" (what a hoot). People don't understand that different materials will break down differently. Some will give you that fun party look in the fluid - some won't but will settle to the very bottom of the housing where you will only find it - if you even do - by pulling that cover.
when I said "Glitter Bomb" that was not referring to shiny oil that was a reference to scattered parts after opening the diff cover
 

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when I said "Glitter Bomb" that was not referring to shiny oil that was a reference to scattered parts after opening the diff cover
Most seem to use that term to describe the look of the fluid rolling out, like metallic paint, glittery paint - glittery oil. Ooooh, pretty oil, looks like a brown metallic paint! Not cool. Not pretty on the bank account.

i never did find the piece of the bearing I referenced - likely crushed into small bits, and they'd be black to gray, not visible in fluid coming out. The galling of the cups - also tend to leave no trace.

In another, the shredded roller cage actually came out in only two pieces - still stuck up in the pinion bearing area while some of the rollers were laying in the bottom of the housing.

Bet the hobo had no idea his pinion looked like that before actually seeing it.


So I guess my point is - you may not see any clues at all draining the fluid.

Even pulling a cover - you may not actually find things laying in the bottom or it may look like gray stuff in the muck at the bottom.
The only real way - open it up, visually look at things, scrape out the bottom gunk and watch carefully for any parts. Not finding any means you have to rely more on the eyes.
 

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Stainless to aluminum - you need to know WHICH stainless alloy it is. Some will be fine, some not so much.
I can't see using an impact ever on anything that small anyway. Never a risk there.


We spent part of a quarter in college on differentials............. never used a spreader. No shop I worked in had one. Yeah, really nice to have, but.......... I guess it depends on how risk adverse you are. I've seen guys bust brittle spacers and wrinkle shims trying to pound things in (likely they went on to work for Ford adjusting trunk lids and door hinges with the big mallet and 2x4)
Clearly old school experience lets you carefully tap shims with a soft body hammer or similar. And a fair amount of that was done. But for us diy guys, I’ll use a spreader every time after seeing how much easier it was.
 

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Use the correct anti-seize...........

Depending on the stainless alloy - could be ok, but those sold generically as stainless - you don't know what alloy it is and it can rust the cast iron threads.
My initial thought was to not use Antiseize. My expert didn’t think I should, and he’s running stainless hardware in his 2 door JLR with 5.38’s without issue.
 

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when I said "Glitter Bomb" that was not referring to shiny oil that was a reference to scattered parts after opening the diff cover
I took it that way. No bomb. But I suspect that’s because I’ve changed the fluid 3 or four times since this started failing. So I’m guessing a decent amount of it went into a pan without me realizing it.
 

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Forgot to answer the pinion shim question. Yes. Using his experience, he guessed correctly the first time and we never removed the pinion races after the initial install of them.
I have only been indirectly involved in 2 of those type set ups . One was multiple tries on shims the other one the order of original shims was carefully noted and literally went right back .. was it exact dunno I was much younger and not really in the position to argue .
 

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My initial thought was to not use Antiseize. My expert didn’t think I should, and he’s running stainless hardware in his 2 door JLR with 5.38’s without issue.
I've done a lot of stainless (quality stainless) on engines and other parts over the years. There's a lot of "dress up kits" sold for classic cars that are stainless, stainless valve cover bolts that go into cast iron heads, among other things. I've not seen issues to date.

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https://shop.totallystainless.com/ekamc.php

Among others.
 

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I have only been indirectly involved in 2 of those type set ups . One was multiple tries on shims the other one the order of original shims was carefully noted and literally went right back .. was it exact dunno I was much younger and not really in the position to argue .
We definitely didn’t want the same shims in this case. The pinion failure indicated a pinion depth issue as the cause, so that was out. Plus these are different stronger double john cut gears, which wasn’t the case with my 2021 manufactured revolutions. So all the specs are different for backlash.
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