What is GVWR for Manual JT Rubicon>

[guntrust]

Question for anyone who has a manual JT Rubicon, or otherwise in the know: what is your GVWR?

GVWR on automatics seems to be 6250, based on JT Rubicon autos i've seen on dealer lots.

Of course towing capacity is less on manual--does that mean GVWR is less?

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[guntrust]

Jeep chat wasn't much help in answering this but i think i've figured it out using the standard specs of the online build page combined with the help of this article:
https://www.topspeed.com/trucks/truck-news/towing-payload-gcvwr-what-s-it-all-mean-ar170318.html

So GVWR is basically this:

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR):
This includes the vehicle's unloaded curb weight, passengers' weight, and cargo weight. If a truck's GVWR is listed at 10,000 pounds and the truck weights 6,000 pounds empty, then its payload capacity is 4,000 pounds.​

("payload" is passengers plus cargo)

Standard specs for JT Rubicon list "curb weight" for manual as 5050, only slightly less than the auto (5072). (Note that "curb weight" is identical to "base weight" in the specs.) Those specs also list "payload capacity - when properly equipped - standard" (whatever the heck that means) as 1190. That confusing language leaves me wondering whether you need to order the optional towing package for the Rubicon (which apparently includes heavy duty engine cooling on manuals as well as autos) to get that payload capacity, though i think towing is irrelevant to GVWR except for tongue weight. (GCVWR is different and takes into account loaded trailer weight.)

Using the above formula, GVWR for an auto should be 6262, which is close to what i've seen on Rubicons at dealers (6250).

So GVWR for a manual appears to be 5050 + 1190 = 6240 (may vary a bit based on options/configuration, but i think this should be close as extra equipment weight would merely reduce payload unless it changed the overall ability to handle gross weight). [Query: does a lift kit reduce stability and therefore reduce ability to handle gross weight?]

Looks like a stick will meet section 179 deduction requirement for minimum 6000 GVWR.