Auto stop disable

[Steelglad]

I hate this feature. I know that I can use the button on the dash but it resets every start. I am fairly certain that there is a way to permanently disable it. I guess my bigger question is, should I? I mean it annoys TF outta me, but maybe I should get used to it? To me it seems to be extra wear and tear on all the starter parts. Thoughts?

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[COASTAL CAJUN]

I hit the button every time I start mine. Just habit now. I does stress the Secondary battery under the main battery. I know several people who had to get the Secondary battery replaced under warranty. One dealer in Houston told my friend , who got it replaces at the dealership,, that if he would have done it himself that it would void his warranty. That sounds like crap to me.

 

[mdyucca]

My thoughts exactly! Not to mention all the posts regarding battery problems related to ASS. With the Tazer installed the ASS stays in the operating position it was last in when the Jeep is turned off. So the next time you start the Jeep the ASS will be off if it was off when you shut down.

 

[Kevin_D]

Really?
Another ESS thread?

The components are designed to handle the extra start cycles.
It reduces emissions.
It saves fuel.
And, by itself, it’s not the cause of the auxiliary battery failure.

Kevin

 

[Gvsukids]

I hate this feature. I know that I can use the button on the dash but it resets every start. I am fairly certain that there is a way to permanently disable it. I guess my bigger question is, should I? I mean it annoys TF outta me, but maybe I should get used to it? To me it seems to be extra wear and tear on all the starter parts. Thoughts?

This is a topic that has been discussed to death.

 

[Gvsukids]

Really?
Another ESS thread?

New member who didn't search.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I hate this feature. I know that I can use the button on the dash but it resets every start. I am fairly certain that there is a way to permanently disable it. I guess my bigger question is, should I? I mean it annoys TF outta me, but maybe I should get used to it? To me it seems to be extra wear and tear on all the starter parts. Thoughts?

That makes about 10 now.
Do a search for ESS, auto stop/start etc.
It's been hashed about for years, multiple threads, hundreds of posts. Nothing is going to change.
Appears just to be a need to vent, I suppose, is why all the new threads get going and here we go again.
NO, it does not wear things out. It's been used for years - It didn't start in the U.S. and it ain't gonna go away.
Either get used to it, finally accept that which you hate because you don't understand it, or buy a tazer or one of those auto stop/start killer devices for about $100 bucks.
Or do it on the cheap and develop a HABIT of pushing the button - it's just one more button. You press the brake and push a button to start it - once it starts, push one more button.
Such hate.

New member who didn't search.

People want to vent and express hate and anger is part of it. Searching takes a few seconds and then you find out there's logic and reason and there goes your reason for the hate.

Kevin_D nailed it - in a nutshell, he nailed it.

I hit the button every time I start mine. Just habit now. I does stress the Secondary battery under the main battery. I know several people who had to get the Secondary battery replaced under warranty. One dealer in Houston told my friend , who got it replaces at the dealership,, that if he would have done it himself that it would void his warranty. That sounds like crap to me.

No, it does not stress that battery.
I guess people come up with explanations for things they don't get, don't understand, and would prefer to hate instead of understanding or learning about it (the facts, not what you read on forums)

My thoughts exactly! Not to mention all the posts regarding battery problems related to ASS. With the Tazer installed the ASS stays in the operating position it was last in when the Jeep is turned off. So the next time you start the Jeep the ASS will be off if it was off when you shut down.

NO - the aux battery "problem" has ZIP to do with ESS! Not a bloody thing.
Getting a tazer won't do anything but make you feel good about yourself and calm your anger.
People well educated on these have proven time and time again it's not the cause of the issues, and it doesn't shorten the life of your truck or starter or whatever.
Unrelated.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

One dealer in Houston told my friend , who got it replaces at the dealership,, that if he would have done it himself that it would void his warranty. That sounds like crap to me.

That is crap. The only thing replacing a battery by yourself would do is void the original battery warranty. You have a warranty with the new battery. You can replace batteries, filters, belts, any wear item and never harm the warranty (within reason of course)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Not to mention all the posts regarding battery problems related to ASS.

Posts from haters who don't care to learn, don't understand batteries or the auto stop/start.
No wonder my boss used to call the internet "the misinformation stupid highway".
I saw it on the internet, it must be true! 10 people said it, that makes it FACT!

 

[AmosMoses]

ESS won't be an issue when our jeeps run entirely on quality mopar batteries.



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[jay21mojave]

Some one confirm this works:

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A search will lead to the answer.

It's an old hack, not news, not worthy of being liked on YT.

It leaves a light on your dash. ESS won't work if it thinks the hood is open.
In all of the other I hate ess threads, there's a number of mentions of these hacks, along with tazer and the auto stop/start disable device.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

ESS won't be an issue when our jeeps run entirely on quality mopar batteries.



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Luckily, they'll be different technology batteries, not run of the mill AGM.

 

[Kevin_D]

I mean it annoys TF outta me, but maybe I should get used to it? To me it seems to be extra wear and tear on all the starter parts. Thoughts?

I drove a mid-teens F150 with ESS, and I found it dangerous: it took 2-3 seconds to get ready to move, which is huge when you’re pulling into traffic from a stop sign.

My wife doesn’t like the feature on her ‘15 BMW, because it has a tendency to roll backwards (if on an incline) when she takes her foot off the brake and before the car is ready to go forward.

The JT is ready to roll by the time I get my foot from the brake to the accelerator.
And it has the hill-holder brake feature to prevent roll-back.
And it’s designed to handle the added starts.
I don’t even notice it anymore, unless the motor doesn’t turn off.

Give it a chance. I think you’ll change your mind.

Kevin

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Frankly, if I had so much hatred of the ESS (and didn't mind giving up a few mpg and didn't care about emissions at all), I'd disable it "properly".
I'd buy a tazer, which doesn't really disable it, it simply remembers your choice and sends that choice to the PCM each time you start the truck anew.
Or, use a cheaper circuit sold by a forum sponsor, I think they are a sponsor, that electronically does the same thing cheaper.
And then there's a video on YT by a guy to build a cheap circuit he tied into the button on the back that was a timer and sent the PCM a signal to disable ESS a short time after you start the truck. Cool how he figured it out.
I don't like hacks and bypasses. I know too many things about how things are tied together.

So I'd stop looking for hacks and free things after I got the hate out of my eyes and do it cleanly, and in a way a dealer would never see or find.

I drove a mid-teens F150 with ESS, and I found it dangerous: it took 2-3 seconds to get ready to move, which is huge when you’re pulling into traffic from a stop sign.

My wife doesn’t like the feature on her ‘15 BMW, because it has a tendency to roll backwards (if on an incline) when she takes her foot off the brake and before the car is ready to go forward.

The JT is ready to roll by the time I get my foot from the brake to the accelerator.
And it has the hill-holder brake feature to prevent roll-back.
And it’s designed to handle the added starts.
I don’t even notice it anymore, unless the motor doesn’t turn off.

Give it a chance. I think you’ll change your mind.

Kevin

We've "used it" since it came on one of our Grand Cherokees years ago. My wife loves it because it saves fuel and works so seamlessly on the automatics. If it stops working she asks me what's wrong and I remind her that when you let it sit for a week between drives, batteries get low and it takes a while to charge them back up with modern systems (unlike years ago) - and sure enough later she says "it's working again!"

It's never left me behind at a light - of course I know how to manipulate the pressure on the brake pedal so if I am pulling up to a stale red, I don't hit the brake hard enough to trigger ESS, and when I see the other lights turning red, I ease up the brake. If it was a drag race, it would clock my reaction time off the line pretty darned low, honestly. Maybe those that hate it love abrupt stops, sliding up to stop signs and spinning the tires when taking off and it makes things less like driving while 16? I don't know! LOL

I have a constant urge to go - always move move move and even with this "personality" ESS causes me no delay. It's a bit of a learn manipulating the brake pedal, but the thing does indeed sense pressure on the pedal - I've seen the proof in BCM dumps of my own JTs.
I'll say it again - INDEPENDENT testers have proven the worth - 7 to 10% savings is not untypical (depending on the driver and route of course).
At least two independent tests have confirmed those numbers.

And if it wasn't for ESS and Jeep getting CAFE credits toward their "fleet" with it - your precious Jeep as you know it will not be available for sale.
It's here to stay. It works, it doesn't kill things, and it's allowing Jeep to build JTs and JLUs and such even if they can't meet the stringent CAFE rules in other ways.
And of course - I again refer to the PDF file I have, pages of townships, cities, parishes, counties, etc. passing anti-idling laws. It's currently aimed 90%+ at diesel, but it's coming for gas next.
Welcome to 2022 and beyond.
Gee, if an old fart like me set in my ways can learn and move forward........
I spend almost all of my time reading, doing research, digging into new things, it's frankly impressive how companies are working hard to keep the ICE powered vehicles alive and the amazing things that can be done today. It makes what I'm used to look like something from 1880. by comparison.

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