Attention Passengers and Flight Crew, I'm Out

[redriderjf87]

The '71 426 Hemi Cuda would like a word....

Compression ratios dropped pretty much across the board after 70.

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[gonemad]

Compression ratios dropped pretty much across the board after 70.

Best friend had a brand new ’71 455 GTO. Just a three speed, because it didn’t need four.

I don’t care what the specs say, it was a torque monster. I had friends in high school with a ’65 GTO, a ’66, two ’67’s, a ’68, and the new ’71. I liked all of them, but that one was the beast.

Lest it sound like I’m flexing, I drove a ’65 VW.

 

[BlackRuby23]

Compression ratios dropped pretty much across the board after 70.

Not on the 426 Hemi. It was unchanged from the previous year.

 

[BlackRuby23]

Best friend had a brand new ’71 455 GTO. Just a three speed, because it didn’t need four.

I don’t care what the specs say, it was a torque monster. I had friends in high school with a ’65 GTO, a ’66, two ’67’s, a ’68, and the new ’71. I liked all of them, but that one was the beast.

Lest it sound like I’m flexing, I drove a ’65 VW.

In high school I drove a '68 Cadillac with the 472. The thing was an absolute beast. I could light up the tires without even power braking it.

 

[Sweetums]

Yup, another post announcing leaving. I wanted a full size truck and ended up going with a Lightning. Bring the hate

Also, if anyone bought a used 21 Mojave (or others) and didn't get some of the extra items, feel free to reach out to me https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...t-set-free-treasure-coast.85299/#post-1378864

Congratulations on the Lightning! Sorry to see you go, but nothing lasts forever. I hope you love your new truck.

 

[gonemad]

In high school I drove a '68 Cadillac with the 472. The thing was an absolute beast. I could light up the tires without even power braking it.

Those were the days. I drove my dad’s ’67 Galaxie with the 390FE on dates because it had air conditioning. Two rich brothers a few blocks away had a GT500 and GT 350, respectively.

 

[BlackRuby23]

Those were the days. I drove my dad’s ’67 Galaxie with the 390FE on dates because it had air conditioning. Two rich brothers a few blocks away had a GT500 and GT 350, respectively.

Yeah, I'm happy to have grown up when I did (Gen X).

 

[snowbear]

The music was GREAT!

Except Disco.

 

[gonemad]

Except Disco.

Chicks liked dancing to KC and the Sunshine band.

 

[ZeeJay]

Sir,
With all due respect---wanting an all EV in this day and age is probably about the worst thing you can hope for if you really care about the environment.

Americans love to think they are saving the environment by buying an EV---which is so untrue due to complete lack of thought and willful ignorance.

Most of the rare earth metals for the batteries and controllers are mined by huge diesels and in countries that pay nothing more than lip service to the environment as they generate huge amounts of environmental waste doing the mining.

Then you have to look at the MILLIONs of gallons of diesel fuel used to transport the raw materials on cargo ships to the country of manufacture and the tons of electricity to manufacture the EV. ONE container ship alone carries between 2.5 and 3.5 million gallons of fuel to run it's engines and burns tons of fuel each day. Then there are the large amounts of diesel to transport from the manufacturer to wherever the vehicles are sold.

Then of course is the charging of all the ev's which almost no country, to include Australia, has the energy grid for. While the grid is being built tons and tons of coal, natural gas, and fuel are used to run the grid. Our renewable energy has definitely increased to above 10% but has resulted in massive pushback now that the ecological costs of the "free" energy is coming out.

Here in the states the California "EcoWarriors" and other states have to deal with rolling blackouts. While Australia is a huge exporter of energy in the form of coal, natural gas and crude oil it is also a huge IMPORTER of refined fuels that can actually be used.

Then there is the weight addition of ev's on the roads---which aren't built for it thus necessitating in more repairs and or brand new roads that are built better. Guess what---more diesel use and air pollution doing the repairs and building new roads

I guess we don't even want to go into the range of the battery in extreme conditions and/or hard use. Not to mention the decreased ability of the battery every year and then the huge environmental waste when the battery is shot---or the large amount of environmental waste and energy required to dismantle and then rebuild the batteries.

Pushing the cart before the horse has resulted in BILLIONs of lost dollars for our vehicle manufacturers because EV's have proven to be unreliable in regard to range and the ability to get a charge. If you don't stay local so you can recharge at your own house each night then you definitely have lots of extra time as well as a huge pair of balls to commit to being on time. Having driven pretty much all over Australia throughout my years of being stationed there and visiting family I think you are one ballsy guy to go EV only.

Toyota has been much smarter by not jumping full tilt into the EV's and instead using hybrids which have been selling like hotcakes while large EV's such as the Lighting have cut prices and the manufacturer has HALVED the production.

Way too many studies have been done on how many YEARs it takes for the price difference of the EV to finally break even with the simple ICE guy paying for fuel.

As for me no way am I interested in hybrid as it too has the added complexity of two systems and approximately 10% of extra weight.

As for repair costs and length of time for the repair the EV has a pretty bad record compared to an ICE vehicle.

I may only get 15MPG with my Jeep Mojave but I'm generating micro amounts of pollutants and using way less amounts of the earth's resources than what goes into getting the EV materials, and transporting them. Manufacturing is equal or less energy and the transportation of the finished product is about the same or more energy [due to added weight]. But the added cost of the road and energy infrastructure compared to normal growth is all on the EV.

Hope you think about all this before actually buying an ev only vehicle.

On the mining side I can fill in some blanks. I’ll use one example only of many I could, here goes it:
Assuming it’s a surface operation and a lithium operator were to use a Komatsu 830E or even 930E which is a 240 ton and 320ton haul truck respectively the fuel burn is approx 1000 gallons in 24 hours consumed by a 60 liter engine. At a 52-54% load profile more likely 1200. So do the math if they have fleet of 15 or 30 trucks. Some mines, not lithium have 300 of these trucks. This is just the haulage fleet and just the fuel burn for the haulage fleet, doesn’t reflect the maint involved on said truck or other equipment on mine site.…..nothing else included for mining process either. By the way mines run 24/7/365.

 

[Tommyd]

A responsible driver doesn't get stranded in the middle of nowhere due to a lack of fuel. They know and work within the limitations of their vehicle, whether it be petroleum or electric powered.

Well your extremely limited then in an ev. There are NOT chargers near 90% of trails. That would be super annoying and that’s all I would be worried about.

 

[redriderjf87]

Not on the 426 Hemi. It was unchanged from the previous year.

Fair point, good to know on that one.

 

[KX L]

On the mining side I can fill in some blanks. I’ll use one example only of many I could, here goes it:
Assuming it’s a surface operation and a lithium operator were to use a Komatsu 830E or even 930E which is a 240 ton and 320ton haul truck respectively the fuel burn is approx 1000 gallons in 24 hours consumed by a 60 liter engine. At a 52-54% load profile more likely 1200. So do the math if they have fleet of 15 or 30 trucks. Some mines, not lithium have 300 of these trucks. This is just the haulage fleet and just the fuel burn for the haulage fleet, doesn’t reflect the maint involved on said truck or other equipment on mine site.…..nothing else included for mining process either. By the way mines run 24/7/365.

WOW! I had no idea it was that much---just that it must be a hell of a lot of fuel. Thanks so much for making us all a little smarter.

 

[Stan H]

Yup, another post announcing leaving. I wanted a full size truck and ended up going with a Lightning. Bring the hate

Also, if anyone bought a used 21 Mojave (or others) and didn't get some of the extra items, feel free to reach out to me https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...t-set-free-treasure-coast.85299/#post-1378864

Okay bye bye Felicia!!

 

[ZeeJay]

WOW! I had no idea it was that much---just that it must be a hell of a lot of fuel. Thanks so much for making us all a little smarter.

None of that is a fixed constant either. Could be smaller trucks like anything from 40 to 150 ton or the mine could be a 30% loadprofile, or could be underground so those numbers could change. Regardless I always laugh when I hear that EV is so clean and will save the world if we only embrace it as if the batteries just magically appear on racks somewhere. Anti oil groups are all too quick to point out where oil comes from and what it does, apparently they aren’t interested in sharing where magic lithium comes from or how much of that evil oil it takes to get it.

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