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[DailyMoparGuy]

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None of that is a fixed constant either. Could be smaller trucks like anything from 40 to 150 ton or the mine could be a 30% loadprofile, or could be underground so those numbers could change. Regardless I always laugh when I hear that EV is so clean and will save the world if we only embrace it as if the batteries just magically appear on racks somewhere. Anti oil groups are all too quick to point out where oil comes from and what it does, apparently they aren’t interested in sharing where magic lithium comes from or how much of that evil oil it takes to get it.

It’s all just talking points. Such a shame.

The funniest example of the hypocrisy is NY state banning fracking in the Utica despite the fact that they are one of the top consumers of natural gas in the U.S. They get a whole bunch of their natural gas from Marcellus regions…guess how you extract gas from Marcellus Shale…right, fracking. Silliness

NY: Can’t frack in our beautiful state, but yea we’ll buy fracked gas from PA, WV, and OH. Smh

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[Gvsukids]

Congratulations on the Lightning! Sorry to see you go, but nothing lasts forever. I hope you love your new truck.

Except maybe (the) lightning.

 

[ZeeJay]

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It’s all just talking points. Such a shame.

The funniest example of the hypocrisy is NY state banning fracking in the Utica despite the fact that they are one of the top consumers of natural gas in the U.S. They get a whole bunch of their natural gas from Marcellus regions…guess how you extract gas from Marcellus Shale…right, fracking. Silliness

NY: Can’t frack in our beautiful state, but yea we’ll buy fracked gas from PA, WV, and OH. Smh

Yeah and selective talking points at that.

My math is crude but pretty simple. My JT during this summer would @ its stock form averaged 16.0mpg just an average for the last three months. A Komatsu 930E is, just one truck mind you has fuel burn +/- approximately 35 gallons per hour, so in one hour that truck has consumed more fuel by a margin of 13 gallons than what my truck holds in total capacity. For me know knowing this I struggle to abandon my gas engine for batteries because it will save a polar bear. So then when a mid tier mine is brought on line with potentially 20 of these trucks at 35gph to strip waste to access an ore body I just can’t make the leap from there. Oh well, the problem is so many will buy into the narrative enough and not question the how to.

 

[FloridaMan655321]

This thread has really taken a few directions.
Not that it should matter, but I certainly didn't get a Lightning because I thought I was saving the whales. I do live near a nuke plant, so probably am doing something good for the environment, but not at all part of the decision making. It's a hella'va nice truck, and it's very nice having a full size truck. I'm getting old so I don't necessarily drive offroad that much, and I'm already taking longer stops to stretch on long trips. Also not driving as many hours before stopping to sleep. Kind of enjoying the drive and enjoying all the towns/cities after a 8-10hr drive vs doing overnight drives. I think if we take a cross country trip we will take the wifes gasser (it's a comfy Lexus anyways), but I can certainly see doing 1000 miles.
If the EMP hits, I'll still drive the ole 73 f100

 

[RJ McAuliffe]

On the mining side I can fill in some blanks. I’ll use one example only of many I could, here goes it:
Assuming it’s a surface operation and a lithium operator were to use a Komatsu 830E or even 930E which is a 240 ton and 320ton haul truck respectively the fuel burn is approx 1000 gallons in 24 hours consumed by a 60 liter engine. At a 52-54% load profile more likely 1200. So do the math if they have fleet of 15 or 30 trucks. Some mines, not lithium have 300 of these trucks. This is just the haulage fleet and just the fuel burn for the haulage fleet, doesn’t reflect the maint involved on said truck or other equipment on mine site.…..nothing else included for mining process either. By the way mines run 24/7/365.

 

[Sweetums]

Are the counting the fossil fuels themselves in that calculation? Because I doubt it. Also, carbon emissions that cause climate change can be mitigated in mining, those big trucks and diggers are electric or at a minimum hybrid powered at many mines. This means mineral extraction can be done with fewer emissions.

I'm curious how there's no copper listed for natural gas, nuclear or coal energy plants here, in every one of those cases you have to spin turbines with steam inside giant coils of copper wire - just like using wind to spin turbines. How did they conclude that there's no copper needed for that?

Concrete is also changing, a new form of concrete has been developed that's actually carbon-negative, which would significantly drop the carbon emitted by the concrete needed for wind power.

 

[RJ McAuliffe]

Are the counting the fossil fuels themselves in that calculation? Because I doubt it. Also, carbon emissions that cause climate change can be mitigated in mining, those big trucks and diggers are electric or at a minimum hybrid powered at many mines. This means mineral extraction can be done with fewer emissions.

I'm curious how there's no copper listed for natural gas, nuclear or coal energy plants here, in every one of those cases you have to spin turbines with steam inside giant coils of copper wire - just like using wind to spin turbines. How did they conclude that there's no copper needed for that?

Concrete is also changing, a new form of concrete has been developed that's actually carbon-negative, which would significantly drop the carbon emitted by the concrete needed for wind power.

I would expect that compared to the other materials listed in the graphic the copper in the generation of electricity equals out to an insignificant amount amid the materials, except that solar requires so significantly more. Fossil Future by Alex Epstein is an eye opening read.
Apparently the professed expert at WSU has no understanding of how said concrete gets to the jobsite ... in big diesel trucks with burn 5gals of gas/hr of operation...so is the concrete really carbon negative?
For me, I am too much a creature of habit. I like the convenience of 5-10 minutes to fill the tank to be back on the road, whether I am driving 1 mile or 1,000. Should I be low on fuel, there's always a station available here in the good ol' US of A, and there's a Marathon refinery six miles from my house that keeps local fuel competitively priced. I enjoy the driving part of driving my Gladiator. I also like that the exhaust fumes will feed my garden and allow me to grow more and larger vegetables. I have driven EVs, and after the thrill of the launch - which admittedly is really cool - find the driving experience less satisfying. My point to adding the Fossil Future graphic is that carbon dioxide production is not actually bad and producing ten times the carbon so that my vehicle, made from mined materials (aluminum, steel, copper, etc) and refined materials (plastics) produces no carbon doesn't make sense to me. If that is the decision basis, there are problems with the logic.

OP (FloridaMan655321) Already made the point that his decision was driven by aesthetic preference rather than saving the planet. I applaud his decision as his perogative - Godspeed Brother, and travel safely. Enjoy your Lightning.

 

[Sweetums]

"My car exhaust makes my vegetables bigger" is a level of mental gymnastics I've never witnessed before.

 

[FloridaMan655321]

"My car exhaust makes my vegetables bigger" is a level of mental gymnastics I've never witnessed before.

I think he means that plants need CO2

 

[Sweetums]

I wonder how plants ever survived before aerobic respiration evolved or, y'know, the industrial revolution and the burning of fossil fuels

 

[FloridaMan655321]

I wonder how plants ever survived before aerobic respiration evolved or, y'know, the industrial revolution and the burning of fossil fuels

Dinosaur farts

 

[Sweetums]

Dinosaur farts

You're several million years too late if there's multicellular animal life.

 

[snowbear]

Chicks liked dancing to KC and the Sunshine band.

Chicks my age don't dance or they risk taking out their hip.

 

[gonemad]

Chicks my age don't dance or they risk taking out their hip.

So yer sayin’ you're my age, eh?

 

[snowbear]

So yer sayin’ you're my age, eh?

Potentially, I guess. I reach SSA retirement age in less than a year.

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