The Overland is gone. Now what

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't like to label people before I know them, so a Poser to me is the guy with 38's or 40's on his JT and it never sees the dirt. But real or not, I don't much care. Do what ya want. It's your money.

I talked with a guy with a well built JT at the JDR dealer last year. 38's, King shocks, full panel type skid plates, heavy steel bumpers and a winch. It looked awesome, nothing overboard like 5 light bars and an angry grill. It was very well-done IMO. As a long time Jeeper, I approached and talked with the owner as he sat driver's seat in the service drive waiting for a service writer. I said something like: "Nice clean Jeep, nice build"! He said something like, "Oh, it's my wife's Jeep. It is so clean because we don't go off-road. She just likes the look".

And so, the conversation ended.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

A couple of years ago I was talking to one of my wife's family members, an avid Jeep guy, who says there's supposed to be trails around here somewhere - about trails. We talked of my wife's JLU Rubicon and then I mentioned something in connection with her Jeep - my wife heard that and recalled we were talking trails.....
"NOT WITH MY JEEP!"

We all got such a laugh out of that.

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[bill61]

I’ll interject here and say the reason I chose Rubicon was because of the lockers. When hitting a steep hill I’ll turn them on so I minimize trail damage. I also consider my Jeep as part of my earthquake preparedness kit. I should be able to find my way out of an epicenter situation.
As to people building and not offroading, I say go for it. What ever makes you happy. Life is short, do what puts a smile on your face. I enjoy driving my Jeep and I’m glad you people enjoy yours too.

 

[CyberHero]

I have a lot of insight on this topic....


So I am a extremely huge fan of the Overland trim having one myself. Unlike a lot of people, I specifically wanted the Overland and did not feel like I settled for it. And in all honesty, I feel like it is one of the best and valuable trims for the Gladiator. And it's not a coincidence that in 2024, it was the only trim to be discontinued.

Reason being in my opinion, and I've said this before in numerous debates, the Overland was probably the best trim for the value for "most" people. There's not one feature or package My Overland doesn't have as far as creature comforts. This may be personal opinion, but I feel like it's true in a lot of cases that a lot of people buy Rubicons for the name. And for me I couldn't justify the extra 10-12k (at the time I purchased in early 21' anyway) to have a Rubicon or Mojave with all the features my Overland has. I see often what I call "low tier" Rubicons, and although Rubicons, don't have LEDS from the factory, no leather, plastic non-painted fenders etc, etc. In my opinion I'd rather have my Overland before a "low budget" Rubicon without half my creature comforts I use everyday. Especially considering my off-road habits are moderate to minimal. Don't get me wrong lockers and automatic disconnects are and would be great which the Overland lacks. And I do get my Overland off road a fair amount (my IG, and YouTube can back that up). But I'm also no rock crawler and I don't think a lot of people give credit on the capabilities that even A stock jeep has. Let alone building one to your own off road habits. Which is what I've done and still currently doing with my Overland and mine has performed flawless in moderate conditions. But I know my limits and am fine with it.

If the margin at least when I purchase initially and probably even now, wasn't so steep to have a rubicon with all the packages and features my Overland has, than of course I would have got a Rubicon. But I couldn't justify that amount. If you've got it like that, than ok. But I don't. I've been very content with mine and have built to my liking. So the Overland is a gem and I feel that Jeep knew after the fact that it was the best Jeep right out the gates for so many people to have the best of both worlds without breaking the bank(and not that the overland is a cheap trim by any means) But it's not a coincidence it's the only trim to get discontinued. Jeep knew that value after the fact. Which I understand from a business standpoint, but it in turn has forced a lot of people moving forward to purchase Rubicon's and Rubicon X and getting and paying extra for features they most likely won't use or don't care about (particularly lockers and discos). When in all reality even for avid off-roaders, we jeepers are on road 80% of the time, most of us. And if you're not than, you wouldn't be interested in an Overland anyway.

But I've had this debate before and even spoke about it in one of my YouTube videos about how the Overland is arguably one of the best trims for the value and not even from a cheap standpoint considering it was based as a mid to high trim. But people often get so caught up in specifics and having to have a Rubicon or Mojave, yet they're rolling around with plastic fenders, dull headlights, cloth seats, small entertainment screens, etc. But hey they got that Rubicon/Mojave sticker on the side of the hood! lol. Unless you have the money to spend to get the higher tier Rubicon than in my opinion I'd take my Overland before it any day and is why I went with mine.

Keep your Overland if you can. Just my opinion. Since Jeep butchered it, unless you can afford a Rubicon X or Mojave without getting raped for all the features, I'd keep it.

Rubicon owner here
I have stock LEDs, leather seats/steeringwheel, 8 in screen, and painted fenders. Everything u said it didn’t I do have
Please know what you’re talking about before posting

 

[Sarge502]

Rubicon owner here
I have stock LEDs, leather seats/steeringwheel, 8 in screen, and painted fenders. Everything u said it didn’t I do have
Please know what you’re talking about before posting

Actually know what YOURE talking about. If you actually read what I said versus taking offense, I never said Rubicons don't or couldn't come with any of those features. What I said was the margins to get everything my overland has on a rubicon or Mojave is very high and a lot of times not worth it. I also said that "not always" (since I have to obviously be very specific for the simple minded) but people often get Rubicons without any of that, solely for having a Rubicon and not wanting to pay the high margins for everything else.

Obviously if you can get one with everything and afford it than good for you, tough guy. But in most cases it's not practical and for the OPs concern likely isn't worth it.

YOU obviously DONT have what I was referring to as the "low" teir Rubicons so why you took offense clearly tells me you just commented without reading. You also either can afford it or got raped in doing so. But that's on you.

So don't try get cute and sound smart because you took offense and clearly didn't read. K, try again. Im a guy that likes all the smoke. You're user name fits you well. Funny everyone else knew my point yet you get butt hurt.

 

[NC_Overland]

My 2024 Sport S was heavily optioned, with most of the Overland perks. My leather seats even say “Overland”!

You’re right. Throw in LED lighting and the safety equipment and you’d have my Overland. Which, was $55k in 2020 when they were $10k cheaper so that’s a better value on a 2024.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Yeah , I know a guy who is big into off road trails. He loves using the term poser. Thing is I use my Rubicin 6 days a week in dirt and mud and rocks. I have mine in 4wheel drive every single day . Every day !! My transfer case goes in and out of 4low so easy it would blow your mind yet because He does Badge of honor trails 4 or 5 times a year He calls me a poser. I don't think He has any clue how much wheeling I actually do. From the start of my site this year I went from a foot & a half of snow to mud for 4 solid months ,all steep, all rocks bull dozed single pathway access. Which meant climbing off the side of it many many times. Yeah ,I just let him go on with his talk. I dare say over the last 4 yrs with mine there isn't a Jeep Badge of honor trail that I haven't equaled in difficulty.
As to those that never go off road ever. I do say if snow is all it was bought for then they paid a premium to drive in the snow. Oh well, to each their own.
@ShadowsPapa ,I agree the seats are not plush enough. I generally have a air cushion sitting on mine. I aint got much meat on my bones at 6'5" & 200#'s
Went to the doctor told him my seat was hurting my hip bones and gave me a prescription for a new medicine.
Noassatall ain't helped a whole bunch. Okay seriously though
Habe been considering upgrading my seats or having them reupholstered to make them more plush . Alot of motorcycle owners do this. That's where I got the air cushion idea from.

6 foot 5 inches in a JT. My hat's off to you Sir.

I used to be 6' 03" but age happens and a back injury, so I am closer to 6'02" now. And for me getting into the JT is not 'slide thru the window' like the Dukes of Hazard anymore. It is a learned process.

Right leg in, duck, swing in my butt to the seat. Then left leg in.

At your 6'05", you must really love your JT.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

 

[NC_Overland]

6 foot 5 inches in a JT. My hat's off to you Sir.

I used to be 6' 03" but age happens and a back injury, so I am closer to 6'02" now. And for me getting into the JT is not 'slide thru the window' like the Dukes of Hazard anymore. It is a learned process.

Right leg in, duck, swing in my butt to the seat. Then left leg in.

At your 6'05", you must really love your JT.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

He probably has seat slammers. I’m only 6’1” and my head almost hits the roof and I can’t see some traffic lights and such.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

He probably has seat slammers. I’m only 6’1” and my head almost hits the roof and I can’t see some traffic lights and such.

What are these seat slammers that you speak of?

 

[NC_Overland]

What are these seat slammers that you speak of?

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[ShadowsPapa]

You’re right. Throw in LED lighting and the safety equipment and you’d have my Overland. Which, was $55k in 2020 when they were $10k cheaper so that’s a better value on a 2024.

They kept changing things up - so, without stating a model year it gets rather complex. When I bought my FIRST Overland, you really couldn't get what i had in other levels.
When I bought the 2022, it was close, but the others were still crazy amounts HIGHER than the Overland, and had stuff I didn't give a rip about (lockers, sway bar disconnect among others - and were LACKING what I did want)
Go to 2023 and later, things got really mixed up. Prices came down from the 2022 levels, options changed around and so on.
So when Overland people comment - others need to keep in mind - at that time they were correct. It was the best value choice, especially for some uses.

Jeep has mixed things up a lot.

My JTMX MSRP was only about 4K higher than the 2022 overland - but think of what else it has the 2022 didn't have.

 

[Stan H]

6 foot 5 inches in a JT. My hat's off to you Sir.

I used to be 6' 03" but age happens and a back injury, so I am closer to 6'02" now. And for me getting into the JT is not 'slide thru the window' like the Dukes of Hazard anymore. It is a learned process.

Right leg in, duck, swing in my butt to the seat. Then left leg in.

At your 6'05", you must really love your JT.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

It helps Im skinny

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It helps Im skinny

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[Stan H]

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[BCC]

Thanks to everyone that responded to my post - I learned a lot reading all these posts. Most important: I learned that I'm keeping my Overland until the wheels fall off! Or until Jeep comes up with a model with similar value/options. Have a great Memorial Day and thank you to all our Veterans, past and present!

That’s always a good option.

When the Mojave first came out, I test rode one, we couldn’t come to a mutually agreeable deal and I ultimately bought an Overland. I very much enjoyed it and frankly I didn’t even need it’s capabilities, as the worst I drove it on was sand or grass, getting to mountain bike or dirt bike areas.

i also liked the fact it was smaller than the 5 previous F150’s I’d had. Maybe I’m the definition of a poser, but the Overland suited me.

Anyway, I traded it in on a Mojave X the other week. Didn’t need to. Wanted to.

So far, while the Overland was fine, I much prefer the Mojave X. i haven’t been off-road on it. Maybe I never will, since I have dirt bikes and Adventure motorcycles For that.

What I like: it steers better, it rides better, it’s much quieter, the seats with the bolsters fit me better (I’m not fat) and are much more comfortable The paint is nicer, it doesn’t have those stupid dealer added floorboards. And, well, I admit it, it looks way cooler, and I like that. There are many more differences, but those are the ones that mattered to me

Is it worth it? Well, I’m 71. I’m healthy and fit. I have reasonable financial resources for my likely lifespan. These are my golden retirement years. Might as well spend my discretionary dollars while I can enjoy them, rather than having a fat bank account during my essentially housebound, declining years.

 

[Roscoe]

Yeah , I know a guy who is big into off road trails. He loves using the term poser. Thing is I use my Rubicin 6 days a week in dirt and mud and rocks. I have mine in 4wheel drive every single day . Every day !! My transfer case goes in and out of 4low so easy it would blow your mind yet because He does Badge of honor trails 4 or 5 times a year He calls me a poser. I don't think He has any clue how much wheeling I actually do. From the start of my site this year I went from a foot & a half of snow to mud for 4 solid months ,all steep, all rocks bull dozed single pathway access. Which meant climbing off the side of it many many times. Yeah ,I just let him go on with his talk. I dare say over the last 4 yrs with mine there isn't a Jeep Badge of honor trail that I haven't equaled in difficulty.
As to those that never go off road ever. I do say if snow is all it was bought for then they paid a premium to drive in the snow. Oh well, to each their own.
@ShadowsPapa ,I agree the seats are not plush enough. I generally have a air cushion sitting on mine. I aint got much meat on my bones at 6'5" & 200#'s
Went to the doctor told him my seat was hurting my hip bones and gave me a prescription for a new medicine.
Noassatall ain't helped a whole bunch. Okay seriously though
Habe been considering upgrading my seats or having them reupholstered to make them more plush . Alot of motorcycle owners do this. That's where I got the air cushion idea from.

The Katzkin upgrade on my Willy’s diesel is the most comfortable seat we have had yet. Had an Overland with cloth & also now a Mojave with leather.

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