XJ person interested in Mojave

[Zachanadandy]

And that thought has crossed my mind, too.

I will tow with mine - it says 7,000, but I tend to max out these days around 5,000.
However, I would appreciate the greater margin in there - I feel better towing 5,000 with a 7,000 rating than 5,000 with a 6,000 rating (although, honestly, the Overland did very well for me)

I am fairly sure I'll need airbags in the rear - I had them in my 2022 Overland and it helped a LOT. It just felt better, less bounce with the trailer on it, and it stayed more level - no more getting headlight flashed towing at night.

It would have to be the springs as that's the only real difference that would effect towing. I think it's funny how much everyone worries about it though. The door placard doesn't have a GCWR or a tire rating on it. Not only is a cop never going to weigh you as a non-commercial vehicle. All you'd have to do is point at the max tow rating in the manual and say see...7,700lbs. So you think he'd know the difference? Care that you're towing 6500lbs with a 2022 mojave that is technically only rated at 6k? Is he going to do the research to figure it all out? Hell no.

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[NC_Overland]

The only time I ever hear a creak out of my Gladiator is from the hard top when it’s really cold. Close to 0 degrees Fahrenheit. No rattles, clunks, etc.

 

[dajudge]

It probably wasn’t your fault. The ‘00-‘01 were known for it.

Absolutely was my fault. Changed the hoses, got interrupted while refilling it, left the cap off, didn't tell my wife not to drive it.

 

[NC_Overland]

Absolutely was my fault. Changed the hoses, got interrupted while refilling it, left the cap off, didn't tell my wife not to drive it.

So it’s the wife’s fault. Got it.

The ‘00 and ‘01 were known for cracking heads.

 

[Mr Miami]

It would have to be the springs as that's the only real difference that would effect towing. I think it's funny how much everyone worries about it though. The door placard doesn't have a GCWR or a tire rating on it. Not only is a cop never going to weigh you as a non-commercial vehicle. All you'd have to do is point at the max tow rating in the manual and say see...7,700lbs. So you think he'd know the difference? Care that your towing 6500lbs with a 2022 mojave that is technically only rated at 6k? Is he going to do the research to figure it all out? Hell no.

The cops are not the people I would worry about: It's the lawyers. God forbid anyone is pulling a trailer and is overweight and kills or puts a kid riding a bike in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Regardless of who is at "fault", exceeding the capacity of a vehicle and having being involved in an accident is asking for trouble. That's one reason, other than of course the moral part, that I am very fussy about not exceeding what the manufacturer says the vehicle is designed for.

While I agree that the cops won't likely be doing any research in the matter, don't think the lawyers won't.

 

[ScottBeach]

Check your umbrella policy. Likely there is an exclusion for "reckless negligence" which includes driving the vehicle in an unauthorized manner. Which would include over loaded. So if you were over loaded and had an accident your primary insurance would cover their limits but your umbrella wouldn't cover the rest.

 

[Zachanadandy]

The cops are not the people I would worry about: It's the lawyers. God forbid anyone is pulling a trailer and is overweight and kills or puts a kid riding a bike in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Regardless of who is at "fault", exceeding the capacity of a vehicle and having being involved in an accident is asking for trouble. That's one reason, other than of course the moral part, that I am very fussy about not exceeding what the manufacturer says the vehicle is designed for.

While I agree that the cops won't likely be doing any research in the matter, don't think the lawyers won't.

Show me 1 example. Everyone says the same bs and the only example I've ever seen in 2 decades of asking for proof is a Ford towing 25k pounds with a rating of 10k. Nobody cares if you're a couple hundred pounds over and fault is ALL that matters. Blow a stop sign towing a 30 pound little red wagon and you're still at fault. Get hit by a speeding driver towing 10k pounds and they are still at fault. And accident big enough to warrant a full investigation leaves the vehicles and/or trailers involved in pieces. You think they are going to scrape up every piece off the side of the road, round up your passengers and gear, and put all the fluids back in in order to prove you were over weight by a few hundred pounds? For what as you were either at fault or you weren't anyway? Insurance covers stupid. Insurance covers criminal. Speeding? Still covered. DUI which is inexcusable? Still covered. It's not a thing period. Even the "what the manufacturer says it was designed for" is a stretch at best. The exact same JLU we have here in the US with a 3500 pound rating gets a 5k pound rating in Europe and Australia. Do you honestly think it was redesigned for 45% more weight? Moving the steering wheel to the other side made that big a difference? "But they are limited to 60mph towing in those locations"? Good thing I'm in CA and limited to 55mph, guess I can double the US rating too?

 

[Zachanadandy]

Check your umbrella policy. Likely there is an exclusion for "reckless negligence" which includes driving the vehicle in an unauthorized manner. Which would include over loaded. So if you were over loaded and had an accident your primary insurance would cover their limits but your umbrella wouldn't cover the rest.

Reckless negligence is hard to prove and would have to be both excessive and intentional. Being a few hundred pounds over doesn't even come close to that standard. "The manual said 7k pounds... did I look at the wrong line by accident"? Far easier to argue than driving 10+mph over the speed limit and yet you'd both still be covered.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It would have to be the springs as that's the only real difference that would effect towing. I think it's funny how much everyone worries about it though. The door placard doesn't have a GCWR or a tire rating on it. Not only is a cop never going to weigh you as a non-commercial vehicle. All you'd have to do is point at the max tow rating in the manual and say see...7,700lbs. So you think he'd know the difference? Care that you're towing 6500lbs with a 2022 mojave that is technically only rated at 6k? Is he going to do the research to figure it all out? Hell no.

We've been in this circle several times before - CIVIL courts.
Am I overly-concerned? No
but I don't care to be an arrogant stupid moron in towing either - hey, it will pull it, I'll be FINE - then realize that I can't keep it under control in an emergency.
Some of us do care about safety and lives.
And yes, as has been pointed out by an Iowa State Trooper - there's civil courts you can get tangled up in.
Yes, the only law you can be charged with is violating the TIRE WEIGHT ratings - and they will nail you for that (he mentioned that specifically) but lawyers love to prove it was your fault you couldn't keep control. I've had numerous conversations with troopers on this and similar topics. As they say, IGNORANCE is no excuse, you are supposed to know. It's also amazing what they can prove beyond any doubt - again, experience there multiple times, latest when my father was killed by a sleeping driver. They had everything figured to a fraction of a MPH, exact directions and more.

Be foolish if you want, some of us prefer to tow safe and stick inside the SAE tested parameters.
Do whatever you want, just let me know when you come through on I80 as I'll avoid the roads that day.

 

[Zachanadandy]

We've been in this circle several times before - CIVIL courts.
Am I overly-concerned? No
but I don't care to be an arrogant stupid moron in towing either - hey, it will pull it, I'll be FINE - then realize that I can't keep it under control in an emergency.
Some of us do care about safety and lives.
And yes, as has been pointed out by an Iowa State Trooper - there's civil courts you can get tangled up in.
Yes, the only law you can be charged with is violating the TIRE WEIGHT ratings - and they will nail you for that (he mentioned that specifically) but lawyers love to prove it was your fault you couldn't keep control. I've had numerous conversations with troopers on this and similar topics. As they say, IGNORANCE is no excuse, you are supposed to know. It's also amazing what they can prove beyond any doubt - again, experience there multiple times, latest when my father was killed by a sleeping driver. They had everything figured to a fraction of a MPH, exact directions and more.

Be foolish if you want, some of us prefer to tow safe and stick inside the SAE tested parameters.
Do whatever you want, just let me know when you come through on I80 as I'll avoid the roads that day.

Are you implying the sleeping driver would have been more at fault if he was towing a 6200lb trailer with a truck rated at 6k? Maybe that he wouldn't have been at fault at all if the person he hit was a couple hundred pounds over? No you won't end up in civil court if you weren't at fault. Being that I run E rated tires I'm nowhere near their limit even if I tow 7k pounds with my mojave only rated at 6k. I'm not suggesting we trashed our JTs or and treat them like 3500s. That is reckless. But every JT has the same frame, powertrain, and axles capable of 7k regardless of if Jeep rated that particular model that way or not.

 

[Stuntman Mike]

My XJ is quite comfortable, at least when driven in this configuration ...

 

[Janster]

You’ll love the Mojave… and all around ‘truck’ that’ll tow those toys and go topless/doorless too! You just can’t compare older rigs (XJ’s) with the new. Things have changed so much.

We used to own a 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited that we bought in 2003. At the time, it as a very nice comfy plush vehicle with all the bells and whistles of its time.
We towed 6,500 lbs with it. It did well….but we were pushing its capabilities for towing. We sold it to my mother-n-law….she loved it! We bought a Dodge Ram for towing/. But honestly??….it’s just another SUV…….. that gets lost in the sea of SUV’s.

We have a 2024 Mojave and tow a 17ft bass boat almost every weekend. We love it!!! The JT does extremely well towing it……No issues what-so-ever. It tows similarly to the previous truck we had…. 2016 GMC Canyon. ‘

You should test drive one….. you won’t regret it!

 

[Bomber27]

You’ll love the Mojave… and all around ‘truck’ that’ll tow those toys and go topless/doorless too! You just can’t compare older rigs (XJ’s) with the new. Things have changed so much.

We used to own a 2001 Grand Cherokee Limited that we bought in 2003. At the time, it as a very nice comfy plush vehicle with all the bells and whistles of its time.
We towed 6,500 lbs with it. It did well….but we were pushing its capabilities for towing. We sold it to my mother-n-law….she loved it! We bought a Dodge Ram for towing/. But honestly??….it’s just another SUV…….. that gets lost in the sea of SUV’s.

We have a 2024 Mojave and tow a 17ft bass boat almost every weekend. We love it!!! The JT does extremely well towing it……No issues what-so-ever. It tows similarly to the previous truck we had…. 2016 GMC Canyon. ‘

You should test drive one….. you won’t regret it!

I have driven several; sport, sport s, overland and rubicon, but not the Mojave.

My daily is a Durango Brass Monkey, it’s a cool look, comfortable, road sporty, but not ever excited to drive it. Does not have tow package. I think a Grand Cherokee L is just a repeat, but could tow about 5-6k.

Mojave for comfort and 1 inch higher. Small bed and convertible for the win. Anything more is in the bonus.

 

[Mr Miami]

Maybe peoples' minds would think a bit differently if they lived in a litigious State like Florida. About every third commercial on TV is for a law firm wanting to sue for slip and fall, wrongful death, personal injury or a myriad of other reasons. The firms Morgan and Morgan, Steigner, Greene and Feiner, Blakely Law and a host of others are constantly on TV. You can't drive down a highway without being deluged by lawyers' ads on billboards. And if they smell money, watch out. Morgan and Morgan even advertises they have won $25 billion (with a "b") of cases for their clients.

If you want to play ball against these type of people, good luck.

 

[Stan H]

About the fit after few years, how is the noise level or creaks and general jeep noises. I know in general a convertible is louder.

Since I have a few off road options the Mojave will stay 80-90% stock. Fly fishing trips, hunting, hockey etc two tracks, fire roads and main trails.

main ride is a Durango w/o towing. Need to tow small items-jet skis or RZR.

had and have XJ’s not daily driver but the pan of loose bolts is something I don’t want in my daily.

Grand Cherokee L is a far second option that I have not looked into yet.

Mojave , mweh, dont get that ..hehe get a Rubicon 🫢.
Okay Mojave ribbing aside any of em would be great.
The top can make squeaking noises mostly from the seals which I habe stopped several times with some Vaseline on the seals. , but honestly after 125k miles mines still very quiet other that a loose bolts I recently fixed 🫢.
Get what kicks ya in the pants and fits the budget cheers.

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