Glad dead, the RHF Hub the culprit.

[BillyP]

That is "Pie In The Sky" dreaming.

Yeah it is. But, dreams are a good thing. I didn’t say I was going to do it, or even had the knowledge to do it. But I imagine someone will. Kind of like a TJ or a JK that has been majorly gone through and changed. There are some Jeeps out there that are only Jeeps in name, frame, and body. The older the Gladiators get, the more chance of it happening.

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[Stan H]

My 7 month old Gladiator was found mostly dead in my driveway yesterday. Called Jeep and they were prompt about sending a tow truck to haul her back to the dealer.
I was expecting the aux battery might be the issue but the dealer has just informed me that the RHF Hub the culprit.
Well the problem was quickly diagnosed but the kicker is that it's a 4-6 week backlog on the part until it's in stock .
They are furnishing a new Ram 1500 as a replacement until my Jeep is fixed.

As a engineer in school I was taught generally less systems - more reliable. Independent systems - easier to troubleshoot. Am I the only one that wishes for a stupid simple truck again.

6 weeks for a part for a established model truck is a joke. My 53/5 I could fix with a rock. My 83/5 a rock and screwdriver. My TJ a rock, toolset and ODP reader. The supposed simple Gladiator Sport I now have,even some of the dealers don't have the tools to fully service

Oh well off the soap box.

I will climb back up on that soap box and say I am another one that wants the simple truck back. I totally refurbished a 74 Ford high boy about 25 yrs ago and had a 390 4 barrel with a C6 auto 3/4 ton gas was 1.20 a gallon loads of power ( slightly beefed up with high end cam and .0060 over pistons ) pushing 400+ could tow ungodly amounts .

Major drawback . 8.5miles to the gallon loved that old truck though.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I will climb back up on that soap box and say I am another one that wants the simple truck back. I totally refurbished a 74 Ford high boy about 25 yrs ago and had a 390 4 barrel with a C6 auto 3/4 ton gas was 1.20 a gallon loads of power ( slightly beefed up with high end cam and .0060 over pistons ) pushing 400+ could tow ungodly amounts .

Major drawback . 8.5miles to the gallon loved that old truck though.

And yet the 351 in my 1995 F250 struggled to keep speed on our hills while I was towing my car on trailer behind it. It required a lot more maintenance. A modern half ton with a smaller engine will outpull a legacy 3/4 ton with a larger engine from that era.
A Honda with a fart can can actually blow away the mostly stock V8s of the 70s and 80s on the quarter mile strip.

 

[stoneknives]

I will climb back up on that soap box  and say I am another one that wants the simple truck back. I totally refurbished a 74 Ford high boy about 25 yrs ago and had a 390 4 barrel with a C6 auto 3/4 ton gas was 1.20 a gallon loads of power ( slightly beefed up with high end cam and .0060 over pistons ) pushing 400 + could tow ungodly amounts .



Major drawback . 8.5 miles to the gallon  I loved that old truck though.

When I bought the new Gladiator I kept my old 06' Chevrolet Silverado for doing my firearms instruction classes and fishing. Iron block vortex v6, simple throttle body injection, simple valve train.

Good truck, even when it was broken it always got me home.

I'm planning on passing it on to one of the grandkids.

Which brings up the mission of the current broken Gladiator which was hunting, fishing and camping. My hard mudding and mountain climbing trail days are pretty much done. Unpaved roads and easy trails were the planned mission.

Having the truck s*** itself in the driveway in Tampa doesn't instill me with confidence in it's abilities to get my old ass out of the Judith mountains in Montana on a grouse hunting trip. The way it failed I would have had to rig power to the ham radio to get help or send a emergency message on my SPOT.

 

[stoneknives]

And yet the 351 in my 1995 F250 struggled to keep speed on our hills while I was towing my car on trailer behind it. It required a lot more maintenance. A modern half ton with a smaller engine will outpull a legacy 3/4 ton with a larger engine from that era.
A Honda with a fart can can actually blow away the mostly stock V8s of the 70s and 80s on the quarter mile strip.

The motors from 80-95's but from about that time to the present Detroit finally figured out the formula.
Nothing wrong with a 4.0 Jeep straight six .
It pulled a load great, reliable, good gas mileage (if you kept your foot out of it) and stone simple stupid.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Nothing wrong with a 4.0 Jeep straight six .
It pulled a load great, reliable, good gas mileage (if you kept your foot out of it) and stone simple stupid.

Yup -once or twice, I've dealt with the 4.0............ but my JT's 3.6 will run circles around it.

Simple? Depends on the year, I suppose.
There's over 50 wires involved............ just for the PCM, in this case - OBD I

Don't let that crank sensor go south, it can be a bitch to diagnose if it's randomly acting up and not setting any codes.

RENIX is a @$%^

 

[Stan H]

The motors from 80-95's but from about that time to the present Detroit finally figured out the formula.
Nothing wrong with a 4.0 Jeep straight six .
It pulled a load great, reliable, good gas mileage (if you kept your foot out of it) and stone simple stupid.

Simple is right ✅️ I mentioned this somewhere else ,changed a waterpump on my buddies 4.0 in his driveway with a few tools and a tube of permatex blue (spread thinly ) gasket included. Charged him 20 bucks took maybe 45min. -1 hr.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Simple is right ✅️ I mentioned this somewhere else ,changed a waterpump on my buddies 4.0 in his driveway with a few tools and a tube of permatex blue (spread thinly ) gasket included. Charged him 20 bucks took maybe 45min. -1 hr.

Same water pump as the 258, but reverse rotation due to the serpentine belt.
OF course, there were differences in how the fan mounted and where as some were mounted directly on the water pump snout, some offset a bit. People looking to put the 4.0 in their AMC cars have to watch for that.
I've seen people say "I replaced the water pump and now it overheats". Likely they got the wrong direction pump - you can't tell without comparing the impeller.

 

[stoneknives]

Same water pump as the 258, but reverse rotation due to the serpentine belt.
OF course, there were differences in how the fan mounted and where as some were mounted directly on the water pump snout, some offset a bit. People looking to put the 4.0 in their AMC cars have to watch for that.
I've seen people say "I replaced the water pump and now it overheats". Likely they got the wrong direction pump - you can't tell without comparing the impeller.

Water pumps especially on the early ones. The impellers would just dissolve (french engineering).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Water pumps especially on the early ones. The impellers would just dissolve (french engineering).

???
French engineering?

Dissolve? That's a new one for me

The French were not involved at all in the 258 and 4.0
Never heard of an impeller issue other than people getting the wrong one.

The Mexicans at VAM actually came up with the 4.0 and it was based off of the AMC I4 of that time. Ironically, the board at AMC said no......... then a few months later - AMC suddenly came up with the idea of the 4.0 and it's interesting that it was the exact same thing the people at VAM came up with. So, I credit the people of Mexico, working at VAM, for the 4.0

 

[Stan H]

Water pumps especially on the early ones. The impellers would just dissolve (french engineering).

French Fry (ies)

 

[Texbaz]

This subject of parts availability has been an ongoing catastrophe. Just think back in the late 70's,I believe the 3 year financing and 36000 mile was concurrent with your loan. Today its still the same and the prices 4X more yet they still have the same crapolla warranty period.

The just in time, was not meant for what we have today it has to change waiting 4-6 weeks for a replacement part still paying on your vehicle is unacceptable.

If Jeep gave a damn, they would pull parts from the line and move the cannibalized vehicle to a another facility for more parts harvesting.
I worked 40 years in aviation we had a term AOG,(aircraft on ground) and many times parts were pulled from the production line to support these customers aircraft.
I hope the OP gets a replacement RF hub sooner than later, guess that's all we got after spending 50-70 thousand .

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If Jeep gave a damn, they would pull parts from the line and move the cannibalized vehicle to a another facility for more parts harvesting.

It's been hashed about in other threads here over the years - it's not possible. You don't and can't do that. I know it sounds good, easy and so on, and feels good to think that, but there are many reasons it can't be done, some of them legal reasons.
(not to mention the people that you'd force to wait several months for a vehicle they have on order, agreed on a trade deal, maybe need that vehicle and have made a deposit - you simply shift it around)
You can't take parts off a vehicle and put them on another - it becomes a legal tangled mess, not to mention that spares are totally different from parts ordered for and intended for the line.
these aren't aircraft, and there are different rules and regulations and processes - and dealerships and so on involved.

 

[Stan H]

It's been hashed about in other threads here over the years - it's not possible. You don't and can't do that. I know it sounds good, easy and so on, and feels good to think that, but there are many reasons it can't be done, some of them legal reasons.
(not to mention the people that you'd force to wait several months for a vehicle they have on order, agreed on a trade deal, maybe need that vehicle and have made a deposit - you simply shift it around)
You can't take parts off a vehicle and put them on another - it becomes a legal tangled mess, not to mention that spares are totally different from parts ordered for and intended for the line.
these aren't aircraft, and there are different rules and regulations and processes - and dealerships and so on involved.

I do find this unavailability of an RF Hub really weird , this isnt a Camshaft type shortage . It isn't in the muti thousands in backorder what gives ??? I know I am asking you to speculate , I have an inquiring mind today .

 

[Freems]

I will climb back up on that soap box and say I am another one that wants the simple truck back. I totally refurbished a 74 Ford high boy about 25 yrs ago and had a 390 4 barrel with a C6 auto 3/4 ton gas was 1.20 a gallon loads of power ( slightly beefed up with high end cam and .0060 over pistons ) pushing 400+ could tow ungodly amounts .

Major drawback . 8.5miles to the gallon loved that old truck though.

Don’t forget if you still owned it, it would be worth three times what your JT is worth today…

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