2020 Jeep Gladiator – Camshaft Failure AGAIN After Recall Fix. No Response from Jeep. VIN: 1C6HJTFG8LL131631

[chr15m]

You're hired.

Graciously accepted.

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[Stan H]

I understand where you are coming from, but your math is disingenuous. There were thousands of failures that had the last version of the tick (which prompting a redesign of the top end). Now we certainly have fewer than 10M PUG engines, and fewer still 2020-2023ish (zone where we are anecdotally seeing this issue). When you start looking at that group of engines…10k busted cams starts getting more significant.

Obviously a lot of folks have had great success with the longevity of the engines built in this time frame, and perhaps it’s cheaper for FCA to just ignore because most of the failures are near the end of power train, but there is also clearly an issue. Am I expecting the dealer to magically fix the problem? No. Does it suck and is it something FCA should have figured out already? Also yes.

They sold 900k units in like a couple years alone. And there is only 10k on backorder ? . Yeah I dont get your argument .
I am just going from memory so ??

 

[Discmaniac]

They sold 900k units in like a couple years alone. And there is only 10k on backorder ? . Yeah I dont get your argument .
I am just going from memory so ??

Well, there’s a ~10k backorder that seems to have held steady since at least March or April, resulting in a 3-6 week wait for most folks reporting the issue. That suggests many more are impacted than those currently in the backorder queue.

 

[Discmaniac]

Where the heck are you getting that from? First, it makes no sense, and second - there was no tick that prompted a redesign of the top end! That's almost funny.
The upgrade engine was designed with turbo, DI and other functions in mind that never came about, but it wasn't at all because of any "tick". It was to add VVL, and modify VVT to make ESS easier (valve timing range was increased a lot to act as sort of a compression release and aid in starting the engine, reducing load on the starter and battery.
Nothing about the upgrade was due to anything with the Gen 1 version.

I don't know where you are getting any of that - but there's no logic, or even truth to it.

I’m not by any means claiming it was the sole reason, but there were multiple issues that they were addressing alongside the upgrades (rocker failures, left cylinder head).

 

[Stan H]

I’m not by any means claiming it was the sole reason, but there were multiple issues that they were addressing alongside the upgrades (rocker failures, left cylinder head).

So what you wanting to do buy or sell?
You dont even have a truck listed in your signature line .
So which is it.?

 

[Stan H]

I’m not by any means claiming it was the sole reason, but there were multiple issues that they were addressing alongside the upgrades (rocker failures, left cylinder head).

Are you a ...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’m not by any means claiming it was the sole reason, but there were multiple issues that they were addressing alongside the upgrades (rocker failures, left cylinder head).

LOL - now I know you are pulling things out of your hat with that cylinder head bit. Wow.

Sorry, again - not true. The cylinder head issue was resolved way before the upgrade 3.6 - years.
And the rocker failures - no to that as well.
One had nothing at all to do with the other.
I have the tech documents, training materials and so on - there wasn't a thing about the PUG that was intended to address anything about the Gen 1 engine.
The rocker failures of gen 1 were the rollers, and that was resolved with a new design in a 2019 parts release for gen 1.
The entire premise, and purpose, of the new intake rockers was VVL. They HAD to make changes to the design for VVL.

You aren't even close with anything you've said here. You've been watching some youtube videos or reading BS from someone who is clueless about both engine designs. It's just plain wrong.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So what you wanting to do buy or sell?
You dont even have a truck listed in your signature line .
So which is it.?

He must have something - he talked about the dealer wanting to replace BOTH right side cams (there's only one intake cam per side, not two. The exhaust don't fail on these. )

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Graciously accepted.

Anyone who can write like that, such logic and reason - yeah, you're hired.

 

[Hootbro]

What gets me is - if they are really good, they are really super busy, but sure are able to take a lot of time to make professional videos for youtube.
They have a ton of time on their hands - amazing. We were hardly ever able to clean the floor, we were so busy. The people I know still in the business sure can't take tie to make videos - they are too busy with customers.
What's up?

So if they are making YouTube videos they are shorting the customer?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So if they are making YouTube videos they are shorting the customer?

I'm just wondering if they are a busy shop - how do they find the time?
Don't go home at night? Cut sleep short? Skip meals?
Are they really as busy as we used to be?
We hit the ground running right away, grabbed lunch - back to work, and there was never a slow moment 6 days a week, but these guys make videos in very clean shops, often no car, or maybe one car there, they are just never like a real production shop where there are signs of a lot of work going on.
It just looks artificial, staged, not in a real shop with a lot of customers and a lot of dirty work going on.
Maybe they do these on Sunday after cleaning things up a lot.

 

[Hootbro]

I'm just wondering if they are a busy shop - how do they find the time?
Don't go home at night? Cut sleep short? Skip meals?
Are they really as busy as we used to be?
We hit the ground running right away, grabbed lunch - back to work, and there was never a slow moment 6 days a week, but these guys make videos in very clean shops, often no car, or maybe one car there, they are just never like a real production shop where there are signs of a lot of work going on.
It just looks artificial, staged, not in a real shop with a lot of customers and a lot of dirty work going on.
Maybe they do these on Sunday after cleaning things up a lot.

Its like anything else, they make the time. Most of them are owners doing it as either a one man band with editing off loaded or in some cases, their channel is popular enough that they actually hire people to actually do the filming and production work. It is a easy second income stream that has the symbiotic effect of also driving them business.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Its like anything else, they make the time. Most of them are owners doing it as either a one man band with editing off loaded or in some cases, their channel is popular enough that they actually hire people to actually do the filming and production work. It is a easy second income stream that has the symbiotic effect of also driving them business.

Infomercials.
Last thing we needed was more business.......
Word of mouth and quality of work kept us hopping. Didn't need more

 

[Hootbro]

Infomercials.
Last thing we needed was more business.......
Word of mouth and quality of work kept us hopping. Didn't need more

Seems to work for them. I like the content.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Seems to work for them. I like the content.

Except for the fact he's way off on the 3.6 - I mean, seriously, talking about the debris getting into the oil and trashing the rest of the engine? That turned me off right there. lifters? There aren't any. He could at least say "rockers" and be close.
A lot of hyperbole in there. And no, the "debris" doesn't circulate to the other parts and trash the engine.

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