392 Gladiator V8 Hemi confirmed by Jeep CEO!

[Tom2020Glad]

This is like Taco Bell. Same few ingredients for 7,000 menu items.

They could have done this long ago but didn't.

It's the same concept as back in the heyday of the muscle car (60's and 70's). 426's in PentaStar products, or the 427 in Chevy's, or the 429 CJ's in the Ford's, or the 455 Stage's in the Buick's. The premium to get it was ridiculous for the period.

So I don't see why a well-equipped, 5.7 Gladiator can't be sold with a reasonable profit for 50k or less.

Why? Because they'll tell us that it SHOULD cost a lot more, and some of us will drink that kool-aid.

I'll be happy to buy a gently used 5.7 Gladiator several years after they put it out there.

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[Dave D]

For a 6 figure amount, I could just skip the work myself and pay someone to go on all the trails with with their own Jeep and a video cam and invite friends over to watch the videos with a couple cases of beer. We could all go "oooohhhh and ahhhhhh" over the tough trails.

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For a 6 figure amount, I could just skip the work myself and pay someone to go on all the trails with with their own Jeep and a video cam and invite friends over to watch the videos with a couple cases of beer. We could all go "oooohhhh and ahhhhhh" over the tough trails.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

For a 6 figure amount, I could just skip the work myself and pay someone to go on all the trails with with their own Jeep and a video cam and invite friends over to watch the videos with a couple cases of beer. We could all go "oooohhhh and ahhhhhh" over the tough trails.

What I love about both articles I've read on this is that there's talk from the CEO about the "roar of a V8 out on the trails" and yet - the writers of the articles note that no one is roaring an engine out on the trails - most are going slow, lower RPM ,moving slowly, crawling, not racing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

They could have done this long ago but didn't.

LOL - Taco Bell didn't have to pay fines, meet CAFE standards, fleet numbers and so on. They were free to take any ingredients and mix them how they wanted - no rules. They don't have to stay below a certain calorie count. Funny how some will try to compare. You can't - Taco Bell had no restrictions. Until this year, FCA faced serious heavy fines for not meeting CAFE numbers, EPA rules.
That has changed thanks to people at the EPA and a bill going through - reducing fines to $0. No, they could not have done it a long time ago.
Move a fan in a vehicle and suddenly you are filing new EPA reports on evaporative emissions.

Some just have no concept of what auto makers have to go through - and that includes in other parts of the world. They must sell in other regions or go bust - or sell at a premium cost in order to make up not being able to sell elsewhere.

 

[Teqsand]

Bring back the diesel!

Wife has a 21 JLURD and I have 23 JTRD, we love diesel rubicons

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Wife has a 21 JLURD and I have 23 JTRD, we love diesel rubicons

It's a clean, efficient engine, not understanding fully why they dropped it. I'd not buy one, but I "get" the allure of the diesel and certain advantages - especially frequent towing.

 

[Tom2020Glad]

Until this year, FCA faced serious heavy fines for not meeting CAFE numbers, EPA rules.

Yep - agreed. They were paying through the nose to produce all of those Hellcat variations and all of the other Hemi versions of vehicles too. Maybe that has a bit to do with the $100K price tags........ I'm not here to try to tell them how to run their business in the face of all of the regulations and rules that hinder them selling a product to the public. Guess we can thank the Gobment for that boosheet.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Maybe that has a bit to do with the $100K price tags..

Speculation, of course, but it would make sense - if you want one badly enough, you will help us pay the fines!
Now with the fines at $0 - suddenly they are talking bringing it back and adding it to other models? Hmmmm. the timing is suspect.

 

[Teqsand]

It's a clean, efficient engine, not understanding fully why they dropped it. I'd not buy one, but I "get" the allure of the diesel and certain advantages - especially frequent towing.

The eco diesel would be an amazing motor without the calif restrictions placed on it.... with weightloss they are beasts

 

[MPMB]

It's a clean, efficient engine, not understanding fully why they dropped it. I'd not buy one, but I "get" the allure of the diesel and certain advantages - especially frequent towing.

But aren't the JTD's limited in towing capacity to 5000#? So the only real gain is MPGs and "historically" longer engine life.

I'd be happy with just the 5.7L.

 

[DrewsJT]

The law wasn't actually changed. The Senate can't make such changes in a reconciliation bill like they used to get the so-called "BBB" through.
Midterms could see it all EASILY undone since no law was actually changed. The fine was simply reduced to 0, the law is still intact stating that there are fines.

You seem pretty smart, papa. I'm sure you know none of it was "law" only rules and congress did overturn those rules.

Congress changed vehicle emissions standards by using the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to overturn specific Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules and waivers related to California's emissions standards

 

[DrewsJT]

You seem pretty smart, papa. I'm sure you know none of it was "law" only rules and congress did overturn those rules.

Congress changed vehicle emissions standards by using the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to overturn specific Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules and waivers related to California's emissions standards

These actions, often initiated by the President and supported by a simple majority in both the House and Senate, effectively nullify the EPA's actions, preventing the agency from reissuing substantially similar rules.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So the only real gain is MPGs

If I recall correctly, it's a payload limit. I don't recall the towing numbers.

Using the numbers from our area - I did some calculations and found that if you consider only the fuel itself, the mpg thing is a wash as far as fuel cost per mile.
It will vary by location, but I could not justify a diesel based on mpg alone because the cost of the fuel would be a wash.
Considering the extra oil required each change and other maintenance, for me - made no sense at all.
Cost of ownership overall is likely higher for the diesel, so you pay for that torque/power/feel and the other abilities elsewhere.
Some can either justify it - by numbers or by preference. I can't.

Here we go - found my 2022 owner manual -

 

[Zachanadandy]

What I love about both articles I've read on this is that there's talk from the CEO about the "roar of a V8 out on the trails" and yet - the writers of the articles note that no one is roaring an engine out on the trails - most are going slow, lower RPM ,moving slowly, crawling, not racing.

Both writers clearly don't wheel. That's the entire point of Low range transfer cases, so you can get into the peak torque at low speeds. Even with the 392s having the higher geared tcase you'd be at 4000 rpms at 7mph in 1st gear. Not to mention that 392 roars at idle compared to the v6 even when it's at 6k rpms. I've seen countless toyotas bouncing off the rev limiter on the Rubicon (usually dual cases and low gears because they need all the torque multiplication they can get). And that's on THE rock crawling trail. Sand dunes exist, mud holes exist, deep snow wheeling exists, wide open desert trails exist. Not everyone is an idle along rock crawler or slow and scenic duet road driver. There's a reason that v8 swaps are popular even for rock crawlers, but the idea that the 392 doesn't sound infinitely better than the v6 at any rpms or any type of wheeling is silly.

 

[Lunentucker]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/rum...26-jeep-wrangler-392-were-greatly-exaggerated


We reached out to Stellantis to try and confirm the news about the 392 and which Jeeps that might get it, especially the Gladiator, which desperately needs a shot in the arm. For the moment, Jeep would only confirm the Wrangler 392 heading back to dealers. “We have simply not confirmed 392 for Gladiator,” they said—despite what you can read between the lines of what Broderdorf said—but “we did say more power was coming and that Hemi fans would be happy. Nothing beyond that.” It’s definitely an exciting time for Jeep, Ram, and Hemi fans. The Ram 1500 gets a Hemi, the Ram 1500 TRX gets a Hemi, the Jeep Wrangler gets a Hemi, everyone gets a Hemi.

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