392 Gladiator V8 Hemi confirmed by Jeep CEO!

[ShadowsPapa]

These actions, often initiated by the President and supported by a simple majority in both the House and Senate, effectively nullify the EPA's actions, preventing the agency from reissuing substantially similar rules.

And can just as easily be reversed again later..............
Meanwhile, law suits proceed - and could hinder what the CRA review did this year.
Also- while CA doesn't get a "EPA waiver", the laws can still be on the books. So........ if you want to own vehicles and drive in CA, could get sticky. It's still tangled up in court cases and a lot of unknowns.

As far as the CAFE rules - that is still law. It was always law. Only the waivers for CA were a "rule" or EPA policy.

The CAFE law remains in place, all that could be done is amend it to set the maximum penalty for non-compliance to $0.
It can be changed back easily enough - as the law remains in place as do the standards. The standards are law.

Specifically, Section 40006 of the Act amends the language of the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) statute to reset the maximum civil penalty to $0.00.
Although the statute and its implementing regulations otherwise remain in place, this amendment removes any civil penalties for producing passenger cars and light trucks that do not meet fuel economy requirements.

That's the law I was referring to - it's still a law, the regulations are still there. They could only reduce the fine.

the bit with the CA waiver is a very different thing - that was a review of rules.

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[ShadowsPapa]

Both writers clearly don't wheel. That's the entire point of Low range transfer cases, so you can get into the peak torque at low speeds. Even with the 392s having the higher geared tcase you'd be at 4000 rpms at 7mph in 1st gear. Not to mention that 392 roars at idle compared to the v6 even when it's at 6k rpms. I've seen countless toyotas bouncing off the rev limiter on the Rubicon (usually dual cases and low gears because they need all the torque multiplication they can get). And that's on THE rock crawling trail. Sand dunes exist, mud holes exist, deep snow wheeling exists, wide open desert trails exist. Not everyone is an idle along rock crawler or slow and scenic duet road driver. There's a reason that v8 swaps are popular even for rock crawlers, but the idea that the 392 doesn't sound infinitely better than the v6 at any rpms or any type of wheeling is silly.

Most writers of such "articles" aren't even real car/truck people. That's long gone where you read an article by an engine builder or someone who actually DID what they wrote about.

IMO, novice that I am, I believe you also have more CONTROL with higher RPM in such situations.

I used to set off car alarms in the parking lot at work when I started my 360. I know roar LOL

 

[Gvsukids]

What I love about both articles I've read on this is that there's talk from the CEO about the "roar of a V8 out on the trails" and yet - the writers of the articles note that no one is roaring an engine out on the trails - most are going slow, lower RPM ,moving slowly, crawling, not racing.

Agreed, but the V8 sounds great at the mall.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/rum...26-jeep-wrangler-392-were-greatly-exaggerated


We reached out to Stellantis to try and confirm the news about the 392 and which Jeeps that might get it, especially the Gladiator, which desperately needs a shot in the arm. For the moment, Jeep would only confirm the Wrangler 392 heading back to dealers. “We have simply not confirmed 392 for Gladiator,” they said—despite what you can read between the lines of what Broderdorf said—but “we did say more power was coming and that Hemi fans would be happy. Nothing beyond that.” It’s definitely an exciting time for Jeep, Ram, and Hemi fans. The Ram 1500 gets a Hemi, the Ram 1500 TRX gets a Hemi, the Jeep Wrangler gets a Hemi, everyone gets a Hemi.

All of us love reading between lines, grasping at what might not even be there.

Check out the latest by our resident FCA employee........... crickets.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Agreed, but the V8 sounds great at the mall.

The writer of the article has never operated a 4x4 under extreme load or seen how mega-torque handles big stuff more easily than a 6.
I love watching the 4xe videos literally walking over stuff so big you'd have to wind the 3.6 up pretty tight to get over.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Most writers of such "articles" aren't even real car/truck people. That's long gone where you read an article by an engine builder or someone who actually DID what they wrote about.

IMO, novice that I am, I believe you also have more CONTROL with higher RPM in such situations.

I used to set off car alarms in the parking lot at work when I started my 360. I know roar LOL

A bad motor mount led to snapping the exhaust manifold off at the collector on my old wagoneer out on the trail. That thing never sounded so good, but it was setting off car alarms driving through town on the way home. Was having some issues related to the tbi swap in this video but man it sounded great.

 

[JTGuy]

How about just doing a twin turbo on the 3.6? Probably have to re do it first. Would easily top 400HP.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A bad motor mount led to snapping the exhaust manifold off at the collector on my old wagoneer out on the trail. That thing never sounded so good, but it was seeing off car shame driving through town on the way home. Was having some issues related to the tbi swap in this video but man it sounded great.

Love it - great seeing that old Wagoneer in the rocks, the sound.
I may have to go out to my shop and start up my 360 and listen to it for a while (it'll cost me 3 bucks worth of gas LOL)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

How about just doing a twin turbo on the 3.6? Probably have to re do it first. Would easily top 400HP.

The upgrade engine was originally made with such things in mind.
On one of the MOPAR sites, I read where FCA no longer used "PUG" for this engine, they have a different name for it now, reserving "pentastar upgrade" for the future. If - there's anything to that.... could be speculation on their part.

 

[Zachanadandy]

How about just doing a twin turbo on the 3.6? Probably have to re do it first. Would easily top 400HP.

Don't know I'd trust large boost on this high compression v6 but you do you. For off road I'd prefer a roots type blower if I were to boost the v6 myself.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The upgrade engine was originally made with such things in mind.
On one of the MOPAR sites, I read where FCA no longer used "PUG" for this engine, they have a different name for it now, reserving "pentastar upgrade" for the future. If - there's anything to that.... could be speculation on their part.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Don't know I'd trust large boost on this high compression v6 but you do you. For off road I'd prefer a roots type blower if I were to boost the v6 myself.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Another example of needing the skinny pedal, horsepower, and wheel speed to get the job done. You can't crawl every obstacle. Any excuse to watch and post old wheeling videos though.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Can't leave my mojave out of the high rpm climbs either.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Another example of needing the skinny pedal, horsepower, and wheel speed to get the job done. You can't crawl every obstacle. Any excuse to watch and post old wheeling videos though.

Sounds like a screaming 4.0 there, so, that's just skinny pedal and wheel speed, horsepower not so much a fun watch nonetheless.

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