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When we were down there a couple of years ago, it was amazing how many places there were to charge up - some for free, some for cheap.
You get the power of a larger engine, crazy torque right from 0 RPM on up, and yeah, the 14 mpg of the V8 is a joke. Mine is a daily driver.......... with with a level 2 charger here that could be shared between two vehicles....

The JT system is said to be even more torque and HP than that used in the JLU. ZF has a newer transmission out with better, more efficient motor in it. Longer range, lower power use.

I wish I had the expertise around here for solar - I'd absolutely consider it for:
BACKUP POWER when we lose the normal electricity, and it happens a fair amount, being out here at the very end of the line
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to simply supplement things, cutting the normal bill down (which really isn't bad, here, electricity is some of the cheapest in the country)
My Power used to go out in a small sprinkle for YEARS and years. Then a gas &oil company came in started drilling and next thing you know all new 3 phase power got put in from the closest town all the way out to within 1/2 mile from the house. Then the electric line burned in half blowed up my refrigerator and my wifi router . Burnt a blackline clear across my yard. Grass never grew there for rest of the summer . Power company came out replaced all the lines way past my house for about another mile. And I havent had but one outage in 3 years . That was because a car wreck knocked a pole over close to town.
 

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There is no PHEV JT on the plant calendar for the remainder of the year.
Tim Kuniskis (CEO of Ram) has talked in great length about how expanding EV doesn't make financial sense due to battery costs. Jeep is taking a financial hit by offering the 4xe. Jeep makes less profit off the 4xe than on their ICE vehicles which is why Ram has delayed or canceled at lot of their plans with EV. Basically, auto manufacturers were being subsidized by the government to offer incentives to move vehicles, but expanding EV doesn't make sense without those government subsides.
 

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The JT 4xE has been delayed because of how quickly the battery depletes while towing.

The hybrid system can't keep up when towing a modest load.

Range extended versions are in the works for both JL and JT
That's pretty much what Tim Kuniskis said. He said the technology is getting better, but it currently doesn't meet customer expectations.
 

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I'm not saying any of those things.

I'm saying the PHEV JT has been delayed due to battery capacity restraints while towing.

Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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I'm not saying any of those things.

I'm saying the PHEV JT has been delayed due to battery capacity restraints while towing.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Capacity restraints while towing would fail to meet customer expectations, which Tim Kuniskis as discussed for being part of the reason for not expanding EVs at this current time.
 

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You can't compare California with the rest of the country.

People here in Ca. have no choice but to find some way to save on living cost.

Gas is the highest in the county. Taxes will put you in the pour house. We have some of the worst roads in the county. I could go on and on.

Now I just heard on the radio something about a new 175k tax on home sales. I did not get the hole interview and may be wrong on some info but he did give an example. If you are paying rent of lets say $3000 a month these new cost that the property owner has to pay will be passed to the renter and his example was your rent will now be $4000 a month. He also stated the home prices will sky rocket. Meaning now your house cost more so now you also have higher property tax's. They can't seem to understand why people and businesses are moving out of California.
Stupid is as stupid does.

I do not own or will ever own a hybrids. I have two 3.6 Wrangler and one diesel F250.
By your own vehicle admissions, you seem to be doing fine. Taxes could be state or possibly local. Aside from COVID years, California is still growing, both population and GDP.

Without wading into politics though, California is a relevant comparison to the rest of the country because of its size.
 

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its still not ignoring the law. ignoring the law wouldn't be sneaking a few units through an established loop hole. ignoring the law would be filling the lots with typical dealer allocations. Rah?
Touche. Still think the whole thing is overblown. People are touchy these days. I'm with ShadowsPapa on pushing back on knee jerk vitriol towards stuff.
 

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New stock. I live here and took a look at the odd dealer lot every now and then
Yeah, a lot changed, and know I believe it’s easier for CARB states to get new stock of any kind of wrangler they want on their lot. Back then I couldn’t find any brand new non 4XEs on the lot in CA. They had the odd 3.6L or 2.0L hanging around occasionally though but It was clear that the 4XE is all they wanted/were able to sell.
 

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The JT 4xE has been delayed because of how quickly the battery depletes while towing.

The hybrid system can't keep up when towing a modest load.

Range extended versions are in the works for both JL and JT
My understanding is that ZF already has a transmission with a superior electric motor that puts out more HP and torque, while taking less power, and reports I saw said the JL would get an added 5 miles electric range with it, if there were no other changes.

I wondered about the towing bit - they have to maintain towing numbers or no one will care about it. They keep towing even in the 6,000-7,000 range, I'm willing to look.

I'm not saying any of those things.

I'm saying the PHEV JT has been delayed due to battery capacity restraints while towing.

Nothing more, nothing less.
That's all I'd care about. If it was otherwise like our 23 4xe, I'd be happy - but they have to keep the towing ability, even 6,000 is fine with me - IF the electric motors don't overheat and there's no running batteries too hot. Handle what you refer to - I'd be at least willing to look with interest.

If the gladiator has the new hybrid version of the 8 speed that zf patented it will be amazing. If I remember right it's double the hp and torque from the electric motor vs what is currently in the JLs and the 4xe rental we had for 2 weeks in Hawaii was a rocket compared to our JLUR and JTM with the 3.6L. With that transmission it would likely be quicker than the 392. 215 electric hp mated to the 3.6L 285hp for a nice round 500hp and the complexity of the hybrid integration is gone. Its handled by zf which I think we all trust more than Stellantis.
That first sentence - BINGO. I've read about that, and seen drawings - looks and sounds amazing. More range in the JLU using the same batteries we already have. Combine that with more battery capacity, I'll take a look for sure.

As far as trust - well, the only time I've ever had any transmission issues, it's been the ZF transmission, not the FCA version built by FCA. ZF had some serious case porosity issues leading many dozens of us to getting all new transmissions in our 4xe JL or Grand Cherokee.
FCA builds the non-electrified versions, ZF the 4xe version as you already know I'm quite sure - so I guess, stuff can happen to anyone.
 

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Aside from COVID years, California is still growing, both population and GDP.
Yeah, 2020-2023 they lost population but the trend has reversed.......... so one has to refer to more current years, not memory from 3 years ago.
 

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I wondered about the towing bit - they have to maintain towing numbers or no one will care about it. They keep towing even in the 6,000-7,000 range, I'm willing to look.


That's all I'd care about. If it was otherwise like our 23 4xe, I'd be happy - but they have to keep the towing ability, even 6,000 is fine with me - IF the electric motors don't overheat and there's no running batteries too hot. Handle what you refer to - I'd be at least willing to look with interest.
Essentially, in a truck hybrid config, you want a fuel/electric set up, a battery that never depletes, so you get the full benefit of that 470 ft/lbs, all the time.

What has been found, is while going down the road, the JL/JT meager little capacity, while hauling a load uphill, will deplete the battery completely, then you're just on 2.0T power for the rest of the trip, not at all what you bought it for, probably.
 

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Essentially, in a truck hybrid config, you want a fuel/electric set up, a battery that never depletes, so you get the full benefit of that 470 ft/lbs, all the time.

What has been found, is while going down the road, the JL/JT meager little capacity, while hauling a load uphill, will deplete the battery completely, then you're just on 2.0T power for the rest of the trip, not at all what you bought it for, probably.
My understanding from other 4xe owners is that if you travel for hours where it's flat - interstate traffic, no hills, no reason to coast or use the brakes, you can actually run the battery down to the point you don't have a hybrid. True or false, I read it from a guy at a dealership who knows the ins and outs of the 4xe. He said they rely on some hills or some braking to keep that battery up enough to still have a hybrid. I don't know what's REALLY left when it says "<1%" on the display, but it's far more than 1% in reality.
I think it came up when a guy ran his down flat and found out that his battery was no longer taking the kWh that it should be taking when charged. Someone asked how the heck can you actually run them down that far, and someone else explained.
Fact?
 

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By your own vehicle admissions, you seem to be doing fine. Taxes could be state or possibly local. Aside from COVID years, California is still growing, both population and GDP.

Without wading into politics though, California is a relevant comparison to the rest of the country because of its size.
YEP. That's only because I am pushing 70 years old and have lived in the same house for 40 years.
All my friends and other around me have moved out of state.
The chiefs of police and friend of mine retired early and moved to Tennessee. He told me he will keep $40k in his pocket each year.
He also told me his gas and electric bill was $80 and gas is $3.00.
When I retire I may have to join him.
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