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YEP. That's only because I am pushing 70 years old and have lived in the same house for 40 years.
All my friends and other around me have moved out of state.
The chiefs of police and friend of mine retired early and moved to Tennessee. He told me he will keep $40k in his pocket each year.
He also told me his gas and electric bill was $80 and gas is $3.00.
When I retire I may have to join him.
$2.43/gal today for 87 in beautiful Toledo, OH.

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In my 2024 JLUR it has the 2.0L and it's a great running engine getting around 20-21 mpg.
For 2024 Jeep did a quiet update to the 2.0L revising the induction with a taller
and larger 4" outlet for the airbox lid, larger intake tube and a FCA branded turbo.
With the 340HP / 369 ft. lbs torque SRT tune it would be a great engine for the JL/JT.
 

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$2.43/gal today for 87 in beautiful Toledo, OH.

$2.43 87 octane.webp
This reminds me of my Dad…he’d drive 15 miles just to get gas that was 2 cents cheaper per gallon. 😆 Over here in PA, it’s over $3, cuz we pay a shitload of gas taxes. 🙄
 

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So who said anyone is promoting them?
You see countering lies and misinformation and disinformation as promoting?

You also realize that part of the reason for differences in views is how things are promoted, linked in the YT universe, followers and so on, right? Some people on youtube could post a cat video and it would get millions of views simply because those people are followed, or how the linking in YT is done. It's not about views as far as number, it's how those videos were found or promoted.

Google has magic formulas and if you know them, you can get views even for junk content.
I said it.

TFL is a pretty popular channel. I had never even heard of the other one talking about the hemi gladiator. You dont have to go out of your way to promote EV because almost every major corporation wants its "green" pandering points. Search up any channels views on ev/hybrid jeep jl-jt content and its pretty dead.
 

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YEP. That's only because I am pushing 70 years old and have lived in the same house for 40 years.
All my friends and other around me have moved out of state.
The chiefs of police and friend of mine retired early and moved to Tennessee. He told me he will keep $40k in his pocket each year.
He also told me his gas and electric bill was $80 and gas is $3.00.
When I retire I may have to join him.
Fair. I'm in my early 30s and doing fine. I'll take the high costs for the privilege of living in coastal California.
 

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This reminds me of my Dad…he’d drive 15 miles just to get gas that was 2 cents cheaper per gallon. 😆 Over here in PA, it’s over $3, cuz we pay a shitload of gas taxes. 🙄
In 1974 working in my dad's shell station I was paying less the .35 per gallon.
Back then I could put $4 in my tank and cruse the main in Walnut Creek all night long in my 1966 chevy chevelle.
 

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I said it.

TFL is a pretty popular channel. I had never even heard of the other one talking about the hemi gladiator. You dont have to go out of your way to promote EV because almost every major corporation wants its "green" pandering points. Search up any channels views on ev/hybrid jeep jl-jt content and its pretty dead.
Because EV and hybrid folks aren't typically car enthusiast whereas people who like V8s are. And car videos cater to car enthusiast. Not indicative of the whole market.
 

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In 1979 I remember paying .99 per gallon for premium to feed my first car a 1971 Challenger 340 convertible.
 

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In 1979 I remember paying .99 per gallon for premium to feed my first car a 1971 Challenger 340 convertible.
People have asked me why I don't have the Javelin out very often.
All I have to say is "dual quad with 2400 stall converter" and that's the end of the asking why.....
 
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People that have never driven a hybrid nor an EV always try to act like some EV expert and hate on them. We get it, you don't like change and are worried about your man card.

Increased complexity? Sure, but what ICE vehicle hasn't done the same in the past decade?
Increased maintenance costs? Sure, but again, what ICE vehicle hasn't done the same in the past decade?
Better for the environment? Debatable. There's give and take in every aspect of this. Better in some ways, worse in others.

Torque on demand and available at all speeds and rpms.
Torque and power always available even at high elevations.
Fuel cost savings, even if sometimes small.
Full EV don't always have the range, but hybrids can extend a good amount.

Reality is hybrids and EV can be great. Do I think they are the end-all-be-all solution? Not even close. Do I think they have their place? Yes. Do I prefer the rumble and noise from ICE? Yes. Do I think people just want to piss and moan? Absolutely.

I think a decent amount of grumblings from EV haters is due to limited battery knowledge. Car batteries need replaced in short order and many don't have much of an understanding of the difference between the 12v starter battery and a EV battery.

a large amount of people had shop classes and worked on their own cars and are as lost around a modern car as much as an EV, times change faster tan most people do.

My goal has always been to counter crap with truth and facts where possible.
If you don't want one, don't buy one - but the BS excuses are not "reasons".

I've worked for decades countering bullshit. One can never win because when the truth is out of facts to convey, the other side always has hate and endless ammo made up of anything they can think of. But the smart ones will figure it out and sort the fact from the crap.

Sad when even dealership employees spew bullcrap - and people post "well, my service manager said.........." or "my service advisor said........." and they take that as factual? Because they are a dealership employee? They are trained on how to make things sound good to customers who don't know any better and who won't bother going any farther because some employee of a dealership said it!

A dealership tech also said that ABS and TC don't work below 35 mph - I bet 95% of all customers would believe that.
A dealership tech, and service advisor said "low batteries were due to the winch draining them" (even though there was a big red disconnect switch right next to the battery). I bet even some Jeep owners would believe it.

There's a lot of crap info out there, oils, transmissions, batteries and so on0 but the worst is in the PHEV area. Heck, some who have driven the PHEV version of the WK2 and the JLU even have the facts wrong - such as "gas only mode once the battery is down" - very wrong. It's a hybrid, it's that simple, among other very incorrect things people still believe, even after driving one.


Possible......... they have to weigh the demand globally, and all across the U.S. but if there's enough demand in 45 of the states (50 minus certain obvious states) to counter any negative from the rest of the world - I can't see why not.
Im actually an EV fan though, but you thought it would be cool to pile on and strawman me like im spewing bullshit, then play like i called you a fanboy. you are quick to add your mouths worth, big typer.
 

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I think a decent amount of grumblings from EV haters is due to limited battery knowledge. Car batteries need replaced in short order and many don't have much of an understanding of the difference between the 12v starter battery and a EV battery.

a large amount of people had shop classes and worked on their own cars and are as lost around a modern car as much as an EV, times change faster tan most people do.
"working on their own car" and ""shop classes"............ interesting that over 1/3 of our college class (automotive) failed to complete and graduate. Most worked on their own cars, and had some HS classes.
i guess neither means you understand even the basics, just that you got by.
One only needs to look at the 12v battery posts around any forums to see few truly understand.
To this day, I still deal with people who pull a battery cable off to test the alternator. That's a sure way to blow things. then they wonder why their alternator isn't working. If it was, you likely blew it.
 

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Because EV and hybrid folks aren't typically car enthusiast whereas people who like V8s are. And car videos cater to car enthusiast. Not indicative of the whole market.
Well alot of people are watching videos about the slate truck, VW ID, Rivian and Scout to name a few EV vehicles. I think there are alot of EV enthusiasts and even myself included are excited about new tech and new EV models.
 

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Tim Kuniskis (CEO of Ram) has talked in great length about how expanding EV doesn't make financial sense due to battery costs. Jeep is taking a financial hit by offering the 4xe. Jeep makes less profit off the 4xe than on their ICE vehicles which is why Ram has delayed or canceled at lot of their plans with EV. Basically, auto manufacturers were being subsidized by the government to offer incentives to move vehicles, but expanding EV doesn't make sense without those government subsides.
And yet Ford and others are coming out with new EVs, including EV trucks.......... knowing very well what the climate is out there.
Ford can do it in KY - new pickup coming out in 27.
 

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"working on their own car" and ""shop classes"............ interesting that over 1/3 of our college class (automotive) failed to complete and graduate. Most worked on their own cars, and had some HS classes.
i guess neither means you understand even the basics, just that you got by.
One only needs to look at the 12v battery posts around any forums to see few truly understand.
To this day, I still deal with people who pull a battery cable off to test the alternator. That's a sure way to blow things. then they wonder why their alternator isn't working. If it was, you likely blew it.
I wouldn't argue not competing automotive college is remotely indicative of capability or understanding. Odds are a huge chunk of that 1/3 probably realized there are far more lucrative careers out there. Not saying everyone is mechanically inclined, but I've had many apprentices over the years that were forum automotive mechanics and decided that if they were going to work with their hands for a living the construction trades are a much better bet.
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