⚡️ 2026 JEEP RECON Debut. 650 hp / 620 lb-ft, 0-60 in 3.6 sec, 250 miles range

[legacy_etu]

The more I think about this, it's cheaper than a Rivian, and they seem to sell just fine.

I just checked the build schedule, at full ramp up by April, they're only building 1000 units a month, so it'll probably do fine.

Rivian sales are not doing great. In fact it doesn't seem like any EV sales are great these days. If Rivian gets the R2 out next quarter at the mid 40's price point then forget about it. Then there's the Subaru Trailseeker coming out next year too. Not as much off road capability or HP (37x hp) but I suspect it will be much cheaper. No price yet though.

One thing would be interesting to get straight, is $65k+ 2K shipping for the Recon Moab trim or for the entry level trim? If for the high end Moab then perhaps there's a chance of getting this down into at least the $50's for a lower level trim.

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[Jrgunn5150]

Rivian sales are not doing great. In fact it doesn't seem like any EV sales are great these days. If Rivian gets the R2 out next quarter at the mid 40's price point then forget about it. Then there's the Subaru Trailseeker coming out next year too. Not as much off road capability or HP (37x hp) but I suspect it will be much cheaper. No price yet though.

One thing would be interesting to get straight, is $65k+ 2K shipping for the Recon Moab trim or for the entry level trim? If for the high end Moab then perhaps there's a chance of getting this down into at least the $50's for a lower level trim.

65 is the base trim, the Moab doesn't even begin production until Q2

Rivian sold 50,000 in 23, 50,000 in 24, will do 45,000 in 25...

That's a lot more than the 12,000 Jeep is trying to sell lol.

 

[GeekJT]

But 800hp is nowhere near 8s. You could put 15 turbos on the gladiator and the only 8s pass is making is the pistons passing through the hood. And the Tesla does it stock on street tires, from the factory, full warranty. Nobody said it's the fastest drag car ever, but it's the quickest production vehicle and miles ahead of any stock ICE vehicle ever at that. "But a top fuel car will beat it"? No shit. Can you build a faster car? Of course. I've never seen a 8s car on street tires aside from maybe a built gtr. The rear wheel drive just can't do it period.

Bro, i get it. But listen, no car guy buys a tesla, and surely not a 101-110k tesla. and you've never seen one but a v6 nissan? LMAO so the v6 can do it, but you don't think even a small turbo on a mustang or whipple on a mustang can't? bruh, you have not "seen" much then. Ford offers a whipple kit with a 3yr warranty, that you can add on at any time and doesn't change your factory warranty. What are you talking about.

And comparing a GT car to a family sedan...just two different worlds, two completely different experiences. A tesla isn't a GT car. There has never been a tall 4 door gt car for a reason, it's too fat, to tall and can't do what GT cars were purpose built to do.

But yea, i could see Teslas making sense for soccer moms picking up their kids and whatnot. Like that's fine. Nobody cares that they are fast. Only the owners. Nobody walks up to them at car meets or the drag strip and checks them out. Literally nobody cares about them. It's a fast microwave and that's how the general car enthusiasts see them as.

 

[GeekJT]

Rivian sales are not doing great. In fact it doesn't seem like any EV sales are great these days. If Rivian gets the R2 out next quarter at the mid 40's price point then forget about it. Then there's the Subaru Trailseeker coming out next year too. Not as much off road capability or HP (37x hp) but I suspect it will be much cheaper. No price yet though.

One thing would be interesting to get straight, is $65k+ 2K shipping for the Recon Moab trim or for the entry level trim? If for the high end Moab then perhaps there's a chance of getting this down into at least the $50's for a lower level trim.

They only one I know that's selling good is the Mach-E right now. Selling like hotcakes because soccer moms love'em.

 

[GeekJT]

Always the guy with 0 8 second cars, or 12 second cars, telling everyone how "easy" it is

Bruh literally $200 journal bearing turbos new on amazon
https://amzn.to/4ptGaMW


What are you talking about. You can turbo anything in a weekend these days. That turbo is good for 15-18psi of boost, it'll make 600hp and even Cleetus tested it and was surprised by it. Is it a precision ball bearing turbo? Nah no where near their quality but even one of their really nice 800-1000hp turbos is only $650-750.

Yes, it's SUPER easy these days to make high horsepower. 600 - 800hp today is what 300-400hp was 20 years ago. 800hp runs 9s all day. Sooo not sure what you're talking about really.

 

[smlobx]

So, it's a Ford Bronco that takes half an hour to gas up.….

Biggest fear: Assuming I can dodge the "tick of death", my gas motor should give me well north of 100K miles before needing to be replaced. And, when I do, it will be at a fraction of the cost of having to replace EV batteries at only half that milage.

I just don't see EV's as being a lifetime vehicle. They are more for the "trade in and buy a new vehicle every 3 years" crowd.

According to Ai the Tesla EV battery will likely outlast your ICE engine….

A Tesla battery's average lifespan is between 300,000 and 500,000 miles, or about 10 to 20 years, with the exact duration depending on driving and environmental factors.

Also, “gassing up” my Tesla is usually done at night so zero time out of my day.
You should really go drive one and check it out before you spout all this negative misinformation. You can make an appointment at any Tesla dealership for a 1/2 hour test drive with no pressure.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

You should really go drive one and check it out before you spout all this negative misinformation.

They would have to get off their couch, go out into the world, talk to people, asses their deeply held beliefs...

Whole world might turn topsy turvy, down would be up, left would be right, cars would mate with dogs...

Why there's a small handful of people who have tied their entire identity, all their politics, their entire belief system, to what propels their cars... Is absolutely bewildering...

But all you have to do is say, New EV and watch them lose their shit for days on end.

 

[Pips_the_JT]

What does your Jeep get? My Mojave doesn't average anywhere near 280 unless all freeway. If I am on trails it's FAR lower than 250.

diesel gets 28 to 31 mpg if I'm easy on it - 21 when I'm not - and 15ish with most trailer loads. Just under 500 miles range with highway/easy to about 250 with a trailer and a lot of wind.

With 250 (advertised) mile range, I'd have to hit a charge point going from Tampa to Miami - and definitely would need a top up before heading off-road. There's plenty of gas stations either on I-75 or going back roads, but I don't think I've ever seen a charge point around Okeechobee or Ocala National Forest.

Just sayin'

 

[Pips_the_JT]

They would have to get off their couch, go out into the world, talk to people, asses their deeply held beliefs...

Whole world might turn topsy turvy, down would be up, left would be right, cars would mate with dogs...

Why there's a small handful of people who have tied their entire identity, all their politics, their entire belief system, to what propels their cars... Is absolutely bewildering...

But all you have to do is say, New EV and watch them lose their shit for days on end.

true - preconceptions can become a hurdle.

I invested in Atlas a few years ago and signed up for an XT because I wanted their electric pickup and they were the only ones at the time with a 1.5Mw DC fast charger - they beat Tesla to market by about 18 months.

Next I waited for the ID.Buzz because I had 3 different Vanagon's over the years and I thought it would be a great vehicle to take from Tampa to Miami - until I saw the range. Maybe the next iteration of battery will fix that.

 

[GeekJT]

According to Ai the Tesla EV battery will likely outlast your ICE engine….

A Tesla battery's average lifespan is between 300,000 and 500,000 miles, or about 10 to 20 years, with the exact duration depending on driving and environmental factors.

Also, “gassing up” my Tesla is usually done at night so zero time out of my day.
You should really go drive one and check it out before you spout all this negative misinformation. You can make an appointment at any Tesla dealership for a 1/2 hour test drive with no pressure.

What kills the battery is charge cycles and keeping the battery above 80% charge or below a 20% charge. Just like any lipo battery. There is nothing special about the battery cells, we know exactly what they are and how they last. Don't need AI to tell us how a lipo ages.

5years, you'll be in the 89-80% battery life range with normal charge cycles. If you charge more or "every night" you are killing it faster.

The bigger problem is Resell values on ev's recently has been tanking. I mean they make these "futuristic" cars and they never age well. Dodge is famous for it, Tesla will be too. Anytime you do a bunch of gimmicks using computers, in 5 years the "new" computers will make the old ones obsolete, so the 5 year Tesla will seem very dated compared to new ones.

But since i know most of you guys don't really know much about cars just kind of talk out the rear, I'll back up what I'm saying with something called facts.

Used Tesla prices depreciated more than any other automaker in 2024
https://www.fastcompany.com/91289006/tesla-prices-depreciated-more-than-any-other-automaker-in-2024

Tesla Values Are Tanking Three Times Faster Than Any Other Brand
https://insideevs.com/news/753814/used-tesla-values-depreciation-high/

2024 Vehicle Depreciation Report Released by Black Book and Fitch Ratings
https://www.blackbook.com/2024-vehicle-depreciation-report-released-by-black-book-and-fitch-ratings/

Hybrid and electric cars typically don't hold their value
https://caredge.com/tesla/depreciation

So yea EV has a problem. I wonder what that has to do with? HMM, battery age, and when they get into the 89-80% life age range nobody wants them because knowledgeable people know that battery will die pretty quick. Things that kill that battery? Fast charging, miles, hot climate, cold climate, driving that pulls a lot out of the battery, like racing, drag racing, etc. Daily charges, etc. and literally no Tesla owner treats them right, pure speculation, but i'd be willing to bet something like 80-90% of the owners don't even understand the battery and how it and what ages (damages) it. Had one tell me he keeps his at 100% as much as possible here in houston during hurricane season so he's ready to go. seriously how many of them are doing that... probably most of them.

It's like buying a 5-7 year old iphone and expecting the battery to be great. Ya at least have to own up to the fact there is PROS and CONS to everything, Teslas have their own unique set of pros and cons.

 

[ecidiego]

diesel gets 28 to 31 mpg if I'm easy on it - 21 when I'm not - and 15ish with most trailer loads. Just under 500 miles range with highway/easy to about 250 with a trailer and a lot of wind.

With 250 (advertised) mile range, I'd have to hit a charge point going from Tampa to Miami - and definitely would need a top up before heading off-road. There's plenty of gas stations either on I-75 or going back roads, but I don't think I've ever seen a charge point around Okeechobee or Ocala National Forest.

Just sayin'

 

[GeekJT]

They would have to get off their couch, go out into the world, talk to people, asses their deeply held beliefs...

Whole world might turn topsy turvy, down would be up, left would be right, cars would mate with dogs...

Why there's a small handful of people who have tied their entire identity, all their politics, their entire belief system, to what propels their cars... Is absolutely bewildering...

But all you have to do is say, New EV and watch them lose their shit for days on end.

You own a Mojave, I can tell everything i need to know about you.

You're smart, most likely handsome, and the women throw themselves at you. imma right?

 

[Zachanadandy]

Yeah, i mean comparing a 2 seater GT car to 4 door family sedan is really apples to oranges. Just different worlds, and i wouldn't hate on either of them. We have some Mach-E's in the car club, they are cool cars. but it's not a GT car. grand touring cars are built for a purpose and one purpose only.

Every 16 year old girls dream car is a purpose I guess.

 

[GeekJT]

Picture it.
You wanna go off-roading
But now you are sitting waiting for your iJeep to charge.

 

[ecidiego]

Picture it.
You wanna go off-roading
But now you are sitting waiting for your iJeep to charge.

It's really not a big deal. L3 charging can add 100 miles in like 10 minutes. An EV will use far less energy off roading than a gas vehicle. 5mph speeds would probably get you 200 miles instead of 100.

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