392 Gladiator V8 Hemi confirmed by Jeep CEO!

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[Hootbro]

The problem I have with his numbers argument is that from the get go, something like 80%+ of the principle engineering and testing of the JT was a cut and past job from the Wrangler JL. The late then FCA Sergio Marchionne at launch had said there would not have been a JT without the JL carry the water for it and knew the sales numbers would be low for a "niche" vehicle in their words.

So the question is why does any of the Wrangler JL V8 goodness not carry over for the same reasons? I know cooling has always been the big issue mainly for towing, but they can easily derate the tow numbers to push out a HEMI V8 JT and it would still sell.

 

[4-Low]

The problem I have with his numbers argument is that from the get go, something like 80%+ of the principle engineering and testing of the JT was a cut and past job from the Wrangler JL. The late then FCA Sergio Marchionne at launch had said there would not have been a JT without the JL carry the water for it and knew the sales numbers would be low for a "niche" vehicle in their words.

So the question is why does any of the Wrangler JL V8 goodness not carry over for the same reasons? I know cooling has always been the big issue mainly for towing, but they can easily derate the tow numbers to push out a HEMI V8 the JT and it would still sell.

Perhaps they are afraid that if they rate it for 3,500 lbs. of towing it will either not sell in the face of the other trims that tow 7,000 or more.....OR maybe they're worried that people will assume it can tow 7,000 lbs. anyhow leading to lots of overheating and warranty claims. Just a guess.

Remember the EcoDiesel fiasco? People overheated those left and right. Too much engine for that tiny engine bay.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

but they can easily derate the tow numbers to push out a HEMI V8 JT and it would still sell.

Would it? Seriously - would it? Or is that the internet magnifying the voices of the vocal few?

Look at the people here towing - and griping about low payload and towing numbers.
Take it down to 5,000 towing and you really restrict it as a truck.

I mean seriously - if you take away truck abilities, buy a damned Wrangler V8!!
Heck, take away that towing and people have a whole lot of other options, Ford will be all over it with something.
On the other hand, I do sometimes wonder why do 1/4 of the people here even have a JT - they could do great with a JLU............... they don't tow or haul anything.

 

[Hootbro]

Perhaps they are afraid that if they rate it for 3,500 lbs. of towing it will either not sell in the face of the other trims that tow 7,000 or more.....OR maybe they're worried that people will assume it can tow 7,000 lbs. anyhow leading to lots of overheating and warranty claims. Just a guess.

RAM Power Wagon falls into the same criteria. Both towing and payload are significantly reduced from a normal RAM 2500 but most buyers are astute to know what they are getting into with one.

 

[Hootbro]

Would it? Seriously - would it?

Yes and Yes.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

RAM Power Wagon falls into the same criteria. Both towing and payload are significantly reduced from a normal RAM 2500 but most buyers are astute to know what they are getting into with one.

Not apples to apples as in the Jeep case - they can currently buy a JLU V8
There's no reason for a JT
The PW has aspects that the 2500 doesn't have.

 

[Stan H]

I dont know if it would, The weight and suspension do have differences.
I owned a JKU and was always pissed off that it couldn't tow very much or haul very much. It always rocked back and forth .
Same motor I have now ( basically) and same HP and torque . So what makes it tow more. Length and Suspension..
More HP in the gladiator won't do anything to make it a more effective truck. What makes a more effective truck is wider longer heavier and bigger Suspension.. then a bigger motor and transmission follows . . Putting a V8 in a Gladiator is counter productive .

 

[NC_Overland]

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On the other hand, I do sometimes wonder why do 1/4 of the people here even have a JT - they could do great with a JLU............... they don't tow or haul anything.

I’ll never understand buying a JT and bobbing the bed. Buy a damn JLU. I have seen some claim they still tow with it. Maybe. But not many do.

 

[NC_Overland]

I dont know if it would, The weight and suspension do have differences.
I owned a JKU and was always pissed off that it couldn't tow very much or haul very much. It always rocked back and forth .
Same motor I have now ( basically) and same HP and torque . So what makes it tow more. Length and Suspension..
More HP in the gladiator won't do anything to make it a more effective truck. What makes a more effective truck is wider longer heavier and bigger Suspension.. then a bigger motor and transmission follows . . Putting a V8 in a Gladiator is counter productive .

The gladiator is surprisingly long in comparison to a full sized truck I used to park every day next to a crew cab Ram 1500 and his truck was maybe 6” longer. You’re correct on width and so wheelbase makes a difference. The gladiator has long wheelbase, but it’s more on par with a regular cab truck.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I dont know if it would, The weight and suspension do have differences.
I owned a JKU and was always pissed off that it couldn't tow very much or haul very much. It always rocked back and forth .
Same motor I have now ( basically) and same HP and torque . So what makes it tow more. Length and Suspension..
More HP in the gladiator won't do anything to make it a more effective truck. What makes a more effective truck is wider longer heavier and bigger Suspension.. then a bigger motor and transmission follows . . Putting a V8 in a Gladiator is counter productive .

JLU and JT same width.
A 2026 JLU Rubicon with a 3.6 can tow 5,000 pounds.

If you don't tow, but you do off-road, and want a V8, buy a Wrangler.
You will have a fair amount of cargo space, the same cabin area, but much better for off-road experiences.

 

[Hootbro]

Not apples to apples as in the Jeep case - they can currently buy a JLU V8
There's no reason for a JT
The PW has aspects that the 2500 doesn't have.

You are entitled to that opinion I guess.

 

[NC_Overland]

JLU and JT same width.
A 2026 JLU Rubicon with a 3.6 can tow 5,000 pounds.

If you don't tow, but you do off-road, and want a V8, buy a Wrangler.
You will have a fair amount of cargo space, the same cabin area, but much better for off-road experiences.

I get what you’re saying, but the 392 had always had a much bigger premium in price. What if they did a 5.7l for a significantly lower price than a 6.4l JLU and only available fully loaded? What if it was available across multiple trim levels vs having to get a loaded rubicon? That would be amazing.

 

[Stan H]

JLU and JT same width.
A 2026 JLU Rubicon with a 3.6 can tow 5,000 pounds.

If you don't tow, but you do off-road, and want a V8, buy a Wrangler.
You will have a fair amount of cargo space, the same cabin area, but much better for off-road experiences.

Not really the last off road thing I disagree with. There is the reason some are bobbing the beds. Which defeats the purpose of a truck but all ya have to do is raise the gladiator up till it doesnt drag.it will eventually surpass a stock wrangler.just have to crunch the numbers. Most who are serious off road people will modify either to their liking I feel.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I get what you’re saying, but the 392 had always had a much bigger premium in price. What if they did a 5.7l for a significantly lower price than a 6.4l JLU and only available fully loaded? What if it was available across multiple trim levels vs having to get a loaded rubicon? That would be amazing.

Had a huge premium I'd bet in part to cover their CAFE fines which are 0 now.

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