Delete push button start, go back to keyed ignition? The rfid brick has to go...

[Jt-wrx]

well lets leave it here then...

1. ajt designs is probably doing very well as at least they reduced the size of the fob, i whipped out the visa immediately as soon as i saw there was at least some product available to ease this pain, and reduce this uncomfortable bulge in my pants

2. the first outfit that improves even further on this dogs breakfast abomination of a key fob and push button starting disaster will have me waving my visa in the air again...in fact my visa has been waving in the air since i took possession of my otherwise 'dream vehicle', an rfid delete kit perhaps? or a fob that is even more pocket dynamic (similar to aerodynamic ) at the minimum...here i am, visa in the air calling the aftermarket for solutions, lets go here, build it and i will come...and i won't be coming alone

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[SwampNut]

The "reduced" size is only a couple millimeters, you'll probably disappointed, sorry.

My solution for $14 on eBay...

 

[DunnMan]

I want to lock my doors with the fob, unlock my doors with the fob, start the car with a key that sticks all my keys into the dash, and stop the car with my key which is attached to all my other keys and that way they always go where the jeep goes when it's running and with the driver when it's not. This push button business and rfid is not for me, so how do i eliminate it?

Man, you want to get rid of the push start, some other guy wants to get rid of ABS brakes, another doesn't like electronic assists like hill descent....it's like all you guys should just save your money and buy something from 1985.

 

[SwampNut]

Man, you want to get rid of the push start, some other guy wants to get rid of ABS brakes, another doesn't like electronic assists like hill descent....it's like all you guys should just save your money and buy something from 1985.

LOL! Yeah, the number of people hating on great features is sad. Meanwhile, my insurance rate dropped in HALF because of the adaptive cruise and collision avoidance features, that other people cry against because "I don't need those nanny features!" Ridiculous.

 

[Jt-wrx]

well quit taking it half way, public transportation, or limo service, or uber...you won't have to worry at all about piloting 2.5 tons of high speed death machines, not sure why you're driving at all, you won't even need insurance lol

maybe take another step further and get the tesla with auto-drive features, wherever the responsibility of piloting said machine in public spaces can put the responsibility on someone else...face palm

because i choose to engage far more in the driving process and have found my dream ride to be able to do so...i am definitely going to make complaints about the fob and the rfid for several reason but they are related to each other, personal carry comfort is a big one, this is a daily annoyance, and safety of a thin air connection to starting your vehicle without requiring the same to turn it off...ya, there's so much going on there and it doesn't need to be

as mentioned, we are so lazy as a species, the more the vehicle can do for us the easier it can do for us the better right? wrong, the freedom to choose to engage more and want less should also be there and it's not us you should be worried about on the road...it's you and anyone else that wants the easy button for things that are very serious and carry a lot of weight

maybe you'd prefer a transporter, like from startrek? well i'm sure that's for the masses as above...but i want to drive, i like to drive and i like to do it without a small kitten in my pocket please

 

[DunnMan]

well quit taking it half way, public transportation, or limo service, or uber...you won't have to worry at all about piloting 2.5 tons of high speed death machines, not sure why you're driving at all, you won't even need insurance lol

maybe take another step further and get the tesla with auto-drive features, wherever the responsibility of piloting said machine in public spaces can put the responsibility on someone else...face palm

because i choose to engage far more in the driving process and have found my dream ride to be able to do so...i am definitely going to make complaints about the fob and the rfid for several reason but they are related to each other, personal carry comfort is a big one, this is a daily annoyance, and safety of a thin air connection to starting your vehicle without requiring the same to turn it off...ya, there's so much going on there and it doesn't need to be

as mentioned, we are so lazy as a species, the more the vehicle can do for us the easier it can do for us the better right? wrong, the freedom to choose to engage more and want less should also be there and it's not us you should be worried about on the road...it's you and anyone else that wants the easy button for things that are very serious and carry a lot of weight

maybe you'd prefer a transporter, like from startrek? well i'm sure that's for the masses as above...but i want to drive, i like to drive and i like to do it without a small kitten in my pocket please

Dagnabbit!

 

[Jt-wrx]

LOL! Yeah, the number of people hating on great features is sad. Meanwhile, my insurance rate dropped in HALF because of the adaptive cruise and collision avoidance features, that other people cry against because "I don't need those nanny features!" Ridiculous.

Your insurance rate should be doubled if you have enough tech to have a nap on the way to work as you 'drive' your vehicle. That's a joke. How bout have a coffee and engage yourself 100 while you operate a two ton death machine? How is adaptive cruise control a safety feature...I'm all for safety, but that tech is for those who wan't to read a book on the way to the cabin imo. Funny how our selfishness will guide us to our beliefs lol.

 

[Jt-wrx]

this is a solid axle jeep truck, no place for a lot of this shit on it, or at least, as i said, for the base models with manual transmissions...keep it as simple and mechanical as you can, keeping that fob and rfid bullshit with those models is a serious fack up, can you tell?

overland and loaded up rubicons....you should have got a ridgeline lol

 

[SwampNut]

maybe take another step further and get the tesla with auto-drive features

If Tesla made a Jeep-like vehicle, or Jeep made a full self driver, I'd be driving to the dealer right now.

maybe you'd prefer a transporter, like from startrek?

Absolutely. Then I could afford to have a dedicated off-road vehicle, and not a compromise because I have to also be able to drive it on roads.

Adaptive cruise is a safety feature because it simply takes care of following distance and being smooth and predictable on the road. That's combined with automatic emergency braking which already helped me when an idiot pulled out in front of me, and it saw it before I could because there was a truck blocking my view. ACC also reduces fatigue a LOT on road trips especially, which obviously is a safety benefit. Most big trucks on the road have it now, so while towing our trailer on road trips, I just slip in with them. Everyone is smooth and predictable, and protected by every vehicle having automatic braking.

No human can react as fast as a computer.

 

[Jt-wrx]

If Tesla made a Jeep-like vehicle, or Jeep made a full self driver, I'd be driving to the dealer right now.

It might be easier for the time being to just hire a personal driver. Since you don't want to drive.

As for emergency braking, back up cameras, i'm all for that as it's safety related. Cruise control in itself is a nap inducing feature and likely shouldn't ever have been a feature but we have it. Fatigue my ass, don't pilot a 2.5 ton machine in public spaces if you can't be engaged and on point. Cruise control will induce a nap much more so than being annoyed your foot has to stay on the right pedal.

I'm right, you're wrong.

 

[SwampNut]

Even without adaptive, I turn on cruise even in my own neighborhood. My gas pedal will never show wear. Reducing driver load always reduces fatigue and increases safety, ACC just takes it up another level. If it didn't...insurance companies would not reduce rates for it. Go figure. I'm paying $45/mo for $500k coverage with a $500 deductible, medical, UI, all the coverages. The Wrangler was close to $100.

 

[eaglerugby04]

this is a solid axle jeep truck, no place for a lot of this shit on it, or at least, as i said, for the base models with manual transmissions...keep it as simple and mechanical as you can, keeping that fob and rfid bullshit with those models is a serious fack up, can you tell?

overland and loaded up rubicons....you should have got a ridgeline lol

I will agree with you here. A base model manual transmission with manual windows and such has no place for a wireless key. Just doesn't make sense honestly.

The other ones I get it in, though I do sometimes wonder with the level of creature comforts that are included on a rubicon, especially the loaded ones on the lots. Like I couldn't find anything. trucks in general are meant to be abused a little. Jeeps going on trails are going to be abused. Why the hell did most of them have color matched everythings and leather seats?

Now ridgeline isn't a fair comparison still, that things towing and payload isn't great.

 

[nerubi]

Just talked with Mike Manley. He agrees and is going to change the JT to a simpler vehicle. No fobs or keys - there will be a hand crank to start the engine. AC will now be 480 - 4 windows rolled down going 80 mph. No glass because a rock would break it twice a week. No radio because all they play is that fill-in-the-blank music. No electronics just a single battery to power the incadescent lights. No removable roofs just a solid metal panel roof. No power steering or brakes because if you need those things you shouldn't be driving a truck. No seat belts or air bags. No 4wd because you only need two drive wheels to go where you are going. And any color you want as long as it is black.

So you can start ordering the economic model in September 1912.

 

[eaglerugby04]

Even without adaptive, I turn on cruise even in my own neighborhood. My gas pedal will never show wear. Reducing driver load always reduces fatigue and increases safety, ACC just takes it up another level. If it didn't...insurance companies would not reduce rates for it. Go figure. I'm paying $45/mo for $500k coverage with a $500 deductible, medical, UI, all the coverages. The Wrangler was close to $100.

Cruise is a great feature in itself and really does help saftey. Its just to hard at times to keep a constant speed without realizing you are going fast, everybody has done it. Also just one less thing to focus on allowing better focus on the road. Also better gas milage as well. Shit I hit 90 in a prius once without realizing it until I put cruise back on

 

[SwampNut]

I've had cloth and leather in JKs. The leather is WAY better, and I hated the idea completely until I had it. Wife wanted it. Now I see it as a requirement. The abuse is one factor; leather just stays new for a very long time through sand and mud and crap I've done to it. Fabric...not at all.

Color matched is something I've never liked at all. I expect my fenders to look terrible soon. I'll replace them then.

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